Episode: 365 • Duration: 01:12:34
We went out to see Evil Dead Burn to continue our coverage of the franchise; while we were viscerally entertained, our enjoyment of the film critically was a lot different than just admiring the creative gore and cinematography. We get into a whole lot of conversation about the franchise itself, the feeling that this movie is slapped with the Evil Dead moniker even if it doesn’t really feel like the series, and a lot more.
We’re also drinking Ommegang’s collaboration with Prison City Brewing, the Neon Riot Belgian IPA!
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0:01
Who did this see you?
0:47
Hey guys, welcome back to the Blood and Micron podcast.
I’m Ryan from closeplotation.com and I’m joined with my Co host Martin.
How’s it going?
Not so good, actually.
I’ve been feeling like I may have the clap because I’ve got the burn.
1:02
I got the burn in.
Me.
We’re burning up today.
And you know what, we probably should, it wouldn’t have worked out, but we could have done this movie for the recent heat wave that we’re going through and and burn might have made a little bit more sense, I guess the the Canadian wildfires that are plaguing us right now in New York State with their pollution and, and, you know, smog issues kind of go along with burn so.
1:31
It’s great.
It’s, you know, now that I think about it, if this is going to be a yearly thing up here, one of the great things about when the climate apocalypse comes and we’re all mad Maxing it out there, unlike those fucks out in the West, out in California and Arizona and Colorado, we have fresh water here.
1:51
Not on being that much though.
If Canada keeps fucking burning to the ground and polluting our good Great Lakes, they need to stop.
It’s very true.
I did see somewhere that some Republicans were saying that it’s terrorism, it’s ego, biological terrorism on.
2:06
That they have wildfires that just happen to be throwing up smoke but yeah, but they don’t believe in that stuff anyway.
Like what it was a matter they don’t believe that smoke is an issue for ecology.
It’s the sky I.
Was out on my walk today bringing the beer to your house.
2:23
The sky tasted like a slim, a slim Jim that’s been left outside for too long at the sun.
Like, you know, like plastic smokiness.
Yeah, I was going to say S’mores, but I guess that’s a little bit more.
No, no heady.
You don’t really want it to taste like burnt plastic.
2:41
It’s it’s not a good thing.
No, but anyway we’re talking about Evil Dead Burn, which just recently hit theaters pre last Friday as we’re releasing this episode and we did Evil dead rise.
2:57
So thought it was only fair to give the new Evil Dead movie a shot, which seems like every few years we’re going to be doing this now we’re going to be, you know, we’re just going to be making a foray into Deadite territory.
Tangentially somehow related to Sam Raimi’s initial films.
3:16
And this one again, we were talking about off air, but this one again, kind of caught me off guard as to like when it was actually releasing.
I had really no idea exact.
I knew I knew it was on the horizon, you know, I knew it had been worked on and was done, but I had no idea exactly when it was releasing until the other just the other day.
3:33
I was like, Oh yeah, they’re it’s in theaters now.
And I said, you know what, we probably should go and see that movie, you know, just to be consistent.
And so yeah, that’s that’s kind of how we got to where we’re at.
And if you listen to our last episode on Evil Dead Rise, which now I think what, what was the Evil Dead rise like 3 years ago, Four years ago, Something like that.
3:57
Three years.
Ago three years.
It’s it’s three years. 2023 So yeah, it’s been three years now since we since we saw that movie.
I haven’t seen it since.
And if you listen to our episode, I think we were pretty critical of the movie, weren’t super big fans of it found it to be.
Tepid.
4:13
We were tepid on the film.
It’s a that’s a.
That’s a word I like to use.
Nice little yeah, yeah, tepid.
And I guess that that kind of ties back into Evil Dead Burn.
Will this one be a more flammable, more, more scorching, or will it be as tepid as Evil Dead Arise?
4:29
The funny thing about these movies that I, I think is, is an interesting thing that like maybe 20 years from now, we’re going to be seeing some, you know, either featurettes or documentaries made about these movies is the way that they’re getting greenlit and produced in, in the, the ideas that are coming from them.
4:47
Because I find it really interesting that these movies keep getting made and yet everybody that’s working on them is sort of working in a what seems like a bubble of like I’m doing Evil Dead Rise and then you don’t.
Then in three years I’m doing Evil Dead Burn and I’m a completely different person now.
5:06
And I’m, you know, I’m just taking on the reins of the franchise.
That’s not, you know, abnormal in the terms of like a, you know, the sequel milhouse of like just pumping out sequels to already established franchises.
However, generally there is not like this type of bubble situation.
5:25
There’s, you know, if you’re, if you’re, if you think about something like saw you weren’t working in, you know, your own, you know, tight cubicle of like I’m, I’m only going to be doing this particular project unless, unless.
You’re Chris Raff.
5:41
Right, Unless yeah, unless it’s spiral and then yes.
And for some reason that was like an offshoot thing that they did.
But but other than that, yeah, there that wasn’t, it’s not like super common or, you know, I I I would say like any of the newer franchises, like you’re not expecting to be working in in like this really small, almost stand alone the capacity for the movies.
6:03
And and I feel like that’s really what it entirely what is happening with the Evil Dead franchise at this point is I think somebody is going to Sam and Bruce and they’re saying, listen, I’ve got a great idea for this movie that kind of fits into the Evil Dead, you know, world as a whole.
6:21
And I think if you give us your blessing, we could make it an Evil Dead movie.
And Sam is like, sure, you know, I like I, I, I do think it comes out, I mean.
He’s like, what’s my percent?
Yeah, No, I don’t think.
It’s like that.
6:37
No, no, no, no, I know.
But it’s like, yeah, what’s my percent?
You know, what’s my cut on this?
I, I definitely feel like he has it more of like, it’s more of like a child than than that.
Like I and I, I know you’re joking, you know, and the same with Bruce.
It’s it’s more of like a child And and there there have been projects that have been turned down for evil bed stuff because it just wasn’t it wasn’t there.
6:59
The idea wasn’t there.
I think that, but the interesting thing to me about it is like, I feel like Sam does have this sort of vision for the franchise.
He sees some up and coming directors who have some good ideas or or good like creativity flowing and he gives them that production, you know, in any he kind of lets them run with it.
7:24
I think that’s interesting.
And we’ll talk about how effective that is for the Evil Dead franchise though, as we get further into this movie, because as we talked about in Evil Dead Rise and we we also discussed this offline before we saw Evil Dead Burn, is that we don’t actually remember a whole lot about Evil Dead Rise.
7:43
It was significantly not that memorable in most cases.
It had some, I remember having some, you know, fairly explicit gore and stuff like that, which is kind of the de rigueur for if you’re talking French stuff in this movie.
7:59
It’s sort of the the idea behind expanding the Evil Dead universe.
Now is that like after the the remake, you have to be as glory as possible.
Like it’s it’s got a, you know, one up everything that happened before.
So I remember it having that, but I don’t really remember too much about it.
8:17
And I think you felt the same, right?
Like.
Yeah, all I really remember is the gore and the final showdown taking place in a parking garage.
Definitely, definitely remember the parking garage.
As well, let’s say that’s all I remember and like other than that, like I don’t remember like what was going on.
8:36
I remember like some sort of like slicer gadget in the kitchen.
To yeah, like and like, why the hell?
Like who, who and why they got the Necronomicon.
I get.
I can’t remember.
No, as we were talking about, you know, we’re talking about this and all the standalone and stuff on Wikipedia.
8:54
They had the franchise marked out like this original trilogy.
Is the Evil dead Evil Dead 2 an army of darkness?
Then we have the stand alone films of the 2013 Fetty Alvarez remake Evil Dead Rise.
Evil Dead Burn coming out in 2028.
9:10
Is it’s going to be a prequel Evil Dead Wrath?
Yeah, I did hear about that as well.
So, well, I mean, kind of go back to what we’re talking about, like, like the franchise seems kind of disjointed.
We were talking about when we were watching, like what, after we got done watching it.
9:30
Evil Dead to me is a franchise where I think standalones could work, you know, as episodic films can work really well for the franchise because all you have to have is some asshole, you know, stumbles upon the Necronomicon and says the magic words and then shenanigans ensue, which rise and burn is done.
9:50
But like it doesn’t like.
Yeah.
Because it’s coming from such a gap, you know, it was 10 years from the remake, you know, it’s very disjointed.
And then if you’re going to have a prequel coming out, what’s it a prequel to the original films?
The, you know, so it’s just like, it’s just like a missed opportunity and like kind of a mishandling of the franchise.
10:13
Like, you know, just you could do every two years a new Evil Dead film just, you know, submit, like do fun, you know, come up with fun ways to have gore and stuff.
And you know what?
They don’t have to be scary or or, you know, gory again, is from a Hermia darkness.
10:31
You can do something, you know, vastly different.
Don’t be afraid.
You just got to make sure it works.
Yeah, I mean, without getting too far into our discussion about the movie and yeah, I think that leaves it in a good place.
And in terms of how we feel about the franchise as a whole and about where Evil Dead Burn takes it, I think that it is interesting.
10:52
You know, again, like the the Wikipedia doesn’t necessarily set things off in terms of it just basically says original trilogy and then stand alone films that came after it.
But I do think that the I will talk about how Evil Dead Burn fits into the like our own feelings about how it fits into the overall scope of the franchise as a whole.
11:12
So keep us honest on that.
Like, we’ll try to get back to that as we, you know, start doing some, you know, conversation about the film as a whole.
So we’ll come back to that.
But first, let’s take a break before we get too far in and talk about the beer that we have on the show today.
11:29
We have a new one from Alma Gang and it’s a collaboration with Prison City Brewing and we’ve had both of those on the show at one point.
And the interesting thing about this beer is that it falls into the Armagang like OMG series that they’ve been doing, which we’ve done like almost every single one of those that they put out.
11:50
And this one is a collaboration in the Neon series, which has been a pretty, you know, consistent collaboration series that they’ve been doing with different big and small breweries.
This one is called Neon Riot.
So it’s the Neon of the Almagang beer paired with the Prison Riot, Prison City Riot beer that we did on the show previously, I believe not too long ago.
12:14
Really, I think it was like maybe less than five months ago.
So it was a perfect opportunity to get that in there.
And I will start with you.
I’m curious about your feelings on this beer.
How about it?
So I don’t remember the Prison City beer, like it doesn’t stick out in my head.
12:35
I’m sure it was good.
I’ll ask the We’ll have to have you track that down, seeing as you’re the keeper of the beer record.
I like it a lot.
It’s very good.
It’s a Belgian IPA and it basically tastes like, in my mind, yeah, in my, my memory, what all my gangs Belgian pale ale used to taste like what they used to do that except the alcohol and the hops are kicked up on.
13:06
It’s got a nice big juicy coriander orange, you know taste that you would want from your saison Belgian style yeasty, you know, so big handle like like alcohol on the back end.
13:31
Mild happiness to go with it, but it’s a really balanced beer and works really well.
Like Ryan will tell you too, like we’re both very sad when they are they stop making their Belgian pale ale is one of our favourites for Mama gang.
So this is like a nice like kind of revisit, but you know, up in the Aniana because it does have more of a does have more IPA notes, you know, so I like it a lot.
13:57
I would like to have this on the regular in like a six pack.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I mean, I think that this is like a good nice bridge for the you know what Armageddon used to have, which was this BPA, this Belgian pale ale I did when you know, first tasting it, I definitely got that nice hint of the Belgian Belgian flavour to it.
14:20
The nice malts that you would expect from their Belgian style beers along with this nice, you know, like IPA kind of almost like a a New England style IPA flavour to the Prison City riot.
14:36
Because this is sort of a combination.
It’s like melding basically the Armagang beer with the Prison city mass Riot beer.
And I think that it works really well as as it stands.
I think this feel this definitely feels more like a collaboration than some of the other beers that they’ve had, which kind of you were kind of left wondering like, well, what is really the, you know, like it doesn’t really stand out like either brewery was necessarily involved in the process.
15:05
This one, I do think it has distinctiveness to showcase both breweries a little bit and I really like it.
I, I definitely would get this again, I think that this is a solid entry into the neon collaboration series that Amagang’s been doing.
15:21
And, you know, again, I, I, I really enjoy these collaborations where they’re obviously looking for partners to really kind of hit that, you know, small brewery aspect of collaboration and, you know, reaching out to these areas that may not necessarily be really prevalent in our area in upstate New York.
15:44
So I like the idea and I like this Neon Riot beer.
Check it out if you, if you’re seeing it anywhere near you.
I know both of them have been trying to sort of expand a little bit from, you know, the the the small upstate New York area that they have into more bigger territories, especially throughout New York State.
16:06
I don’t know if they’re reaching further outside of New York State than that, but you know, if you do see it, I would recommend grabbing that neon riot.
All right, so with that, let’s talk Evil Dead Burn first and foremost, as we discussed.
16:26
So actually I, I, I wanted to set out a disclaimer here.
I will, I’m going to be up front and say that I found Evil Dead Burn to be honestly an entertaining film.
It is, it is completely an entertaining film.
However, I do recognize that in the, the course of this discussion, I’m probably going to be fairly critical of the movie as a whole.
16:48
And that does not necessarily mean that I did not enjoy it, but they are the the criticism is levelled at the overall impact of the how the movie plays out and not necessarily how much I found it entertaining.
So I do think that that is kind of important because at the end of the day, you go to watch movies to be entertained.
17:07
And I think it hits those notes very well.
But I’m going to be blatantly honest about things that I find to be not that great about the movie as a whole.
So with that, I think that one of the things that kind of stands out to be about Evil Dead Burn that I want to talk about right off the bat is the fact that I do feel like, anyway, we kind of mentioned this in the intro.
17:31
I do kind of feel like this movie started out not being an Evil Dead movie.
I feel like it was written with a very generic idea about something to do with zombies and familial life.
17:49
And then they kind of said, you know what, this could be an Evil Dead movie.
I don’t know if you agree with that.
Do you?
Do you do you feel the same way?
I feel like they did have like it set out to be an Evil Dead movie.
18:05
But I definitely like, I get it because it does like have a lot of the stuff that happens is very indistinguishable from general zombie.
Not that it is, but like zombie slop.
18:21
Like I like I was saying like the like to you when we were in the theatre.
Like the dad reminds me a lot of like he’s a carbon copy of the father from, you know, Resident Evil 7.
Yeah, with how he looks and kind of, you know, trundles about the house.
Yeah.
18:38
So like, like it does seem like, like they like, like I feel like, yeah, they had like an idea and they want and like, they want to make it Evil Dead, but they’re having like a hard time trying to like, get it like down, down.
18:53
But at the same time, like, it totally doesn’t.
Like, it doesn’t feel like distinct.
Like as you were saying, like there feels like it could be 28 days later.
Could be, you know, Dead Rising could be, you know, it could be there’s like you know, it’s so much here to where and it’s amazing too.
19:14
For a film, it’s nearly two hours like it feels like a lot of the time, you know, wasn’t that could have been spent on making it.
You feel more grounded in the universe, in the franchise, like it.
Waste away.
19:31
You know, yeah, I mean, I think like what I’m getting at is that I do feel like this movie almost started out because it it does have such a genericness to it at times.
It does feel like the director, Sebastian Vanishek, is certainly pulling from a lot of, you know, sources for his his inspirations.
19:52
It’s not necessarily a bad thing.
I do think that it muddles the vision of an Evil Dead movie, though.
I think, like you said, you can find shades of a lot of things in Evil Dead Burn.
Resident Evil Seven 100% the the decrepit mansion style setting of this, which is, you know, pretty.
20:10
Pretty intimately set once you get through the 1st like maybe 45 minutes of the film and, and it kind of really settles in.
It’s just like Resident Evil 7, you know, with the whole idea that this film, the, the house that they’re staying in is just falling apart.
20:25
And you know, almost like you expect to see like there’s like weird little black inky stains over there in the corner like you would see in a Resident Evil game.
I think like that is obviously an inspiration.
I think we see a lot of other inspirations, whether they’re intentional or not, I’m not sure.
20:42
Or if they just kind of creep into the, the, the actual film itself is I’m not sure.
Like, I don’t know if they were intended because sometimes they feel intended, sometimes they don’t.
Like, here’s a perfect example.
Later on in the film, there’s a a sequence where one of the deadites is basically pulling the woman across like the, the wall, up the wall over the ceiling.
21:09
And it’s kind of this nice little, you know, complex shot of showing them on the floor and then the dragging and it’s kind of going up the wall.
And then the camera pans out and you see them on the ceiling.
And that’s kind of like a nice little homage to Friday the 13th, you know, the the final nightmare.
21:30
I don’t, I don’t know if that’s intentional or not, but it’s like it’s there, right?
And you can kind of see it if you want to.
Salem’s Lot is another big one.
You know, the whole visitation to the window is, is like from the 70s Salem’s Lot is like one of those things that left an indelible mark on a lot of people, especially when they saw that TV movie is like very startling to a lot of people.
21:53
And that’s here to some extent.
And I, you know, I’m not, again, I’m not sure if that’s homage or just kind of like, Hey, you know, we have this in the back of her head.
It’s it would be cool to do, you know, And then like you said, the 28 days later element to this is that I think what we’re really we’ve beat around the Bush and we can kind of discuss right now is that the feeling behind Evil Dead Burn is that these are deadites, but they really don’t fit that well into the scheme of the Evil Dead franchise as a whole.
22:19
They don’t really look like deadites.
They don’t have the same, I feel like they don’t have any of the same characteristics that really would cement this to be an Evil Dead movie.
And they really reminded me for almost most of the movie as a rage zombie or whatever you want to call them from 28 Days later.
22:40
You don’t call them a zombie, whatever they’re, they’re, they’re suffering from the same rage virus 28 days later.
Because the way that it’s played out is almost like you go through an infection process, you become sick like you would as a rage virus.
22:58
And then you get very angry.
And it it to me, I don’t really see that as being like dead.
I like, if you think about like the some of the best elements from the original Evil Dead or Evil Dead 2, some of the more startling moments where that all of a sudden you might turn a character around and they’re already a deadeye.
23:19
And there was kind of, and to be honest with you, I will say that in the original Evil Dead movies, there was not really a formula for how someone turned necessarily.
It was no, it was just they.
Just get possessed.
Yeah, exactly.
It wasn’t.
There wasn’t like a formula, but that made it even better because it wasn’t necessary.
23:37
Like you didn’t.
You didn’t need to explain it so much.
You didn’t need them to like have like a transformation of them.
Like I can’t believe you would do that.
It’s like, you know, let go of yours.
You used to thought my son was an asshole, you know, like, you know, like there’s no, like there’s no, you know, surprise to it because they’re set up, like you said, like a rage virus too.
24:01
You know, and I think like part of this film’s problem, it being very long winded is that it does spend so much time kind of setting up this idea that like here is how a deadite turns, you know, with the dad, with the dad being like a primary, your vector in the the turn of for the deadites.
24:22
And, and it kind of focus it hones in on him for a little bit after a funeral sequence.
And you, you kind of have to go through this process of he’s effectively turning into a zombie basically.
I don’t, I don’t think that the film needs that.
I think that that should really have been excised.
And that’s kind of where I’m getting at to the point where I, I, I almost struggle to think like the original intention of this movie was even to be in, in the Evil dead franchise.
24:45
It was more like they wrote a zombie esque type movie.
They said, you know what?
Would it be perfect if we put this in the Evil Dead universe?
I think not only that, as I said, not only that.
So reading from Wikipedia for the intro to see if you noticed that.
So the girl that gets hit by Will in the car, you know she’s a dead eye.
25:05
Apparently that’s supposed to be Jessica from Evil Dead Rises, which I don’t even remember, which means this is all tied together and it just seems.
It.
Like it’s it’s because it like you said, like it makes it more like a zombie for the fact that like she like, if that’s the case, then like, yeah, her she transfers, you know, the like, which doesn’t even make any sense because again, and you know, it’s just you know, you say the words and the demons are out and possessions happen.
25:37
Not that like, you know, it’s contained to the one body.
Like it’s a fucking actress, this film.
Yeah, I mean, I kind of got this idea like from the intro that it was post Evil Dead Rise.
But to be honest with you, like we were talking about, I don’t remember that movie.
That no, neither, no, neither, neither do I like the opening with like the boat and the lake felt like, OK, that’s kind of like, you know.
25:59
Right, it was kind of like from Evil Dead Rise.
Because we we both.
You even looked at me like, is this supposed to be like?
Yeah, because it was reminiscent, right?
And it was like, oh, I remember it being on the lake and the letters rising out of the lake.
And like, that was kind of a cool intro.
And I think that was really the only the only really reason why I even remember it.
26:18
But to be honest with you, I think that is a problem with and it shows it showcases a problem with Evil Dead Rise too, is that it wasn’t that memorable.
I don’t remember enough about that movie to even say like to even have drawn my attention to the fact that like, oh wow, this is like the wrap around story of like being in there.
26:35
I don’t think it was that effective either.
I think that in this case, the opening of this movie is sort of like the same as the knock off person that you’d kill in a slasher movie, where where as like I would have expected it to be much less like inconsistent with the rest of the film.
26:56
It just seems like it’s packed in there for really no reason other than to like like I was saying again, to make a wrap around to evil that rise that maybe did not even exist at any point.
I feel like because again, the transitions are at the in the introduction are really I I actually found very bizarre even when I was watching the movie even before, you know, thinking about the the context of evil dead rise, like the transition of her just waiting in the road until someone comes along to run into her of it.
27:24
Like immediately jumping from the lake to a nightclub sequence that like goes kind of goes back in time that we already see somebody hit her with the car.
It all kind of felt really strange to me in the way that it was edited and set up.
27:43
You do get to see a big ass though.
So I guess like, you know, props to the film for like some nightclub sequence that has a big ass in it.
It’s not a nightclub, it’s a French restaurant.
It’s yeah.
Well, because it looks like, oh, it’s like a club and like, you’re dancing.
Yeah.
And then like when you hear the family talk about like French restaurant, it’s like, what fucking restaurant are you going to early?
28:04
There’s a God there, a dance floor and like, ass eating.
Like you see any escargot?
I didn’t see any escargot in there.
Yes, it is.
I do again, like I just I find that’s like my one of my #1 criticisms is that the film just does not really feel like it fits well into the Canon.
28:28
And furthermore, what I what I feel like is that even if they even though they did try to fit it into the Canon, it more so feels like an offshoot of Evil Dead the remake.
It almost feels like it has almost no genetic component to tie it to the original Evil Dead trilogy.
28:51
It if anything, it feels more accustomed to like that remake Evil Dead, where all of these sorts of movies kind of are another iteration of Mia from that evil dead remake, right?
29:06
Like every single protagonist in in both Evil Dead rise and Evil Dead burn, they are effectively a copycat of Mia put in really similar situations and sometimes even almost like shot for shot very, very, you know, thematically similar.
29:23
I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, but I do think that the film, these films in the series would benefit from ranching out of that context of traumatized woman who fights off deadites.
29:39
I think like we’ve done it, now we go somewhere else with it.
I don’t know if you agree, but I think that it’s it’s kind of stayed its course and we could use a different sort of narrative than what we’ve been getting for these these movies.
29:55
Yeah, make it more interesting because the whole well, no, you’re right.
No, I mean, just they have to make it more interesting because like, if the narrative’s like just going to be some dickhead jerk off finds, you know, the Necronomicon like show, like, you know, make it, you know, you got to like actually do more than just my Uncle Billy Bob Dupaboo up in his laboratory found a book one day skipping rocks up in, you know, up in Michigan and you know.
30:23
That that is definitely a sin of this movie of just like randomly my grandfather has all this stuff in his attic.
Like, yeah, you know, it’s.
He’s part of the cult to destroy.
They’re not.
Good.
And it’s just like crazy, just like like make it interesting, make it interesting on how the fuck like if that’s like it’s going to you got to make it like, you know, are you afraid of the dark?
30:48
You’re going to tell a story and make it interesting on how like you’re in the predicament.
Just assuming like every fucking uncle you, everyone’s got an uncle that’s a fucking PhD and you know, the occult.
This is just.
31:04
Something.
Yeah, I do.
Like for so from like, yeah, like a narrative standpoint, like yeah, you got try harder.
You got to do something like, you know the.
One of the things too is, I think, like the intimacy of both films, right?
Evil Dead Rise being set in a high rise building, which on the on the surface sounds like it could be very cool.
31:27
In practice, though, in that movie, it didn’t make enough use of the actual high rise apartment building to even really get the, you know, whatever you were looking for out of it.
I think they kind of squandered that setting.
But the intimate settings like here in Evil Dead Burn, we’re, we’re really, like I said about 45 minutes in, we’re, we’re situated into this very, you know, enclosed area of being in the mansion and we do not leave it.
31:55
And I feel like that is confining these movies a little bit too much.
I understand they want this, they want to capitalize on the same idea of the original Evil Deads where we have this specific cabin setting and a very intimate connection with the cabin setting.
32:14
But I I think it’s just confining it too much.
Going from a cabin to like, a plantation?
Ask Forrest Gump House, like not really moving the needle again.
That’s where it feels also like a, you know, well, a modern horror game.
32:35
Oh, it’s, you know, like Resident Evil.
Like, oh, it’s taking place at this house or Silent Hill.
Like, oh, it’s this one little spot you have all those great shots of like the when they’re doing like, you know, the tribute to the originals with the woods and the camera.
Yeah, you don’t.
32:51
They don’t even use it.
They just use the lake in the beginning for your Camp Crystal Lake bit.
And that’s it.
Yeah.
And then the rest of the film, outside of the very end, is completely contained to just, you know, the homestead.
I think the film is pretty well shot and it does have a lot of creative sequences.
33:10
Like you said, the drone camera shooting over the forest pretty cool, but again, doesn’t really draw on the element of Evil dead.
Like I did not think of the stereotypical Sam Raimi tracking shot of the Evil dead Dead.
33:27
I like, you know, tracking like I did in some of the other films that were emulating it.
I think that that was kind of lost when you have this approach of like, you know, yes, yes, the drone shots look great, very smooth, very beautiful, vistic, you know Vista esque, but they do not have the charm that a physical dollying, you know, sequence of that, you know shoot that Sam Raimi did.
33:58
It doesn’t have the same approach to it and it doesn’t feel the same.
Like even something like that’s a really good shot that I was like that sticks out in my mind is like when the guys getting dragged underwater at the boat gets flipped and zooms out and you see that like, you know, panoramic shot of the lake and him being dragged down with the bubbles.
34:18
Like, man, that’s really cool and looks great.
And like an answer, like the tenseness of the horror, because you get to see, it’s not just like, you know, Jaws, you can see like, you know, this, you know, whole spectacle.
34:34
But at the same time, it’s like, cool, that’s a good shot.
But then you move on like, and it’s like, yeah, we just did the same opening as Evil Dead Rises, basically.
But this time they burn, you know?
Yeah, and like, you know, I, I, like I said, I, I am not begrudging.
34:51
I think it has a lot of fantastic shots.
I think Sebastian Manichek does a really good job of managing some very difficult, complex scenarios.
Another good example of him doing a great job is the whole scene where Suhaila Yakub’s character is Alice is trying to run away from like this struggle between a bunch of deadites in her, her brother’s or her boyfriend’s brother.
35:22
And they’re getting slammed through the walls and everything.
And it’s like a long tracking shot of her kind of crouching through all of that mess and everything’s happening in the background.
Very complex, well stylized.
I think that looks, you know, it looked really cool.
And, and those are the things that I, when I was watching Evil Dead Burn, you know, like I said, as much as I am going to be critical of the film as a whole, I do think that it creatively and, you know, even entertainingly, it was fun to watch.
35:53
It does have elements to it that I did enjoy.
I still I’m like kind of conflicted in terms of how I actually feel about it as a whole, like cinematic experience though.
I think the best way to describe it is it’s a spectacle, You know, it’s, it’s a blockbuster.
36:16
It’s a spectacle you’re going to enjoy.
Like but like when you try to think too hard about it, you’re like, wait.
That doesn’t mean anything.
Yeah, it’s kind of, it’s kind of funny that you say that like it’s a blockbuster and you’re saying about like an Evil Dead movie.
It’s like, yeah, a harder or to say a harder horror film with all like the way the gore and all that takes place.
36:35
But it is because, like if you if you turn your brain off, I think like because again, like, I did not not enjoy the film.
I I like, I did enjoy the experience, you know, and like you, I am critical of it.
But like as like a popcorn, like throw it on the background like during like a party or Halloween, Yeah, look at why it’s got that charm to it, like.
37:00
Right, I’m not saying I would not revisit this movie.
I I definitely think it could be something fun to just throw on and you know, like you said, turn your brain off.
You really have to in this movie.
This one of the we we mentioned the fact that like the deadites themselves don’t really feel they don’t look like you would expect a dead eye like they don’t have any of the particular makeup that you would come to expect from a dead eye look.
37:22
There’s a very distinctive look.
Ash versus evil dead handled that beautifully by maintaining the distinctive look of a dead eye from movies that were, you know, had ended almost 30 years ago and bringing them back for the series.
This movie does not like it doesn’t even try, which I think is part of one of my my big complaints about this movie is that it doesn’t even try to to manage the the dead eye look in a way that you would find consistent with some of the other movies.
37:54
That’s really bizarre to me that they didn’t try to do that.
And and like you don’t get the dead eye look down, at least to the extent that like it, like I would say it doesn’t even match evil dead rise that well, which is, you know, kind of weird to me that they didn’t even try to do that.
38:12
Like it.
It’s very bizarre.
And that’s another reason why I feel like they this maybe didn’t start out as an Evil Dead movie.
But the other thing that bothers me is the the inconsistent lore of the idea behind the Necronomicon, the Khandarian dagger, and the the phrasing that you need to say to summon the demons.
38:34
I know what it is.
Do you want me to say it?
What?
To say the phrase Oh.
No, I don’t think you should say it.
I don’t want to summon any.
Ready to get ready Clock 2, Verana.
Necktie Yeah, I think like the movie itself recognizes all of these elements, right?
38:57
The Necronomicon exists.
You need to read from it.
You need to read the special phrasing to bring the demons out.
Yeah, how did Uncle Uncle Timmy read the have the Necronomicon read it out too and have all the copies of the shit if you know from the last film they had it.
39:14
This is like this silly stuff you think about when.
You you’re just like how and and and not only that, but like now the deadites are already out.
But then the film makes a pretty big point of showing her nearly reading the phrasing again.
39:29
Like what would that do?
Like double your money of of deadites?
I mean, I’m not.
There’s a port, like I said, I was saying we were watching and seeing in theater.
Like there’s a portal on the other side.
Like they have a line set up like don’t know.
Send them in.
They said it go go go like it is like it is silly.
39:48
Like I do think like it, like I said, like as like a standalone for like episodic, like even if it is connected to Ryzes, right, Even if it is and like they’re going to keep connecting them right, it can work.
I think the idea of like summoning the deadites and then like for well, because he was burned alive in the car wreck and then cremated, tying like the deadite curse that he got from it to that to make a unique super deadite to be your villain.
40:20
I think that’s fine.
Like, you know, I think as a gimmick works, you know, give it like some kind of theme.
So that’s why you can be like Evil Dead Ice, you know, Evil Dead.
It is, you know, it is something.
40:38
It is something, Yeah.
So I don’t have a problem with that.
But like, for the rest of them, like, yeah, I know they don’t feel like, they don’t feel like deadites because they’re like the film tries to have fun and be funny at times.
40:53
It works sometimes.
But like, they’re not joyous, loving deadites, you know?
They’re not like, you know, when you think of like, Evil Dead 2 and 3, like, you know, cracking jokes.
And like, you know, as Ash is getting like, with his ass whipped around and thrown through the chase, you’re hearing like fucking scooby-doo Hanna Barbera noise, like, boy, boom, boom, you know, to add to the humor.
41:20
And here that’s like, Oh yeah, no, she just got power bombed from fucking 10 stories up.
Yeah, I know.
But she’s OK, you know?
She’s fine.
You know, It’s not like there’s no comedy to that.
Part yeah I mean, what do you what do you think about the comedy?
41:35
Like I think that it does try to infuse it, you know, there’s there’s obvious there’s obvious humor breaks.
I feel like the film is a lot more dour though.
It’s.
You know, it’s it’s and like again, it’s hit or miss.
Like at the funeral, we told them because there’s a construction site nearby, we asked them to stop around 12.
41:58
It has to like like where was because you hear in the background, you know, like the construction still going on.
You know, like, that’s funny, but like the transition from the opening to ass in your face at the restaurant.
42:16
Like totally.
Like, like, like, OK, you know.
I definitely like I think I’m OK with the movie being dour if it if it pulls it off well.
42:31
Yo, Chris, if you go back to the the first, you know, the evil dead, that film is actually fairly serious.
I actually found when I first watched that movie, I actually found it to be a fairly creepy movie, like especially, you know, with when you have, you know, dead lights coming out of the the basement and kind of like, you know, it has this very specific feel to it that is like kind of humorous, but also a little bit on the spooky side and.
43:01
I say I, I think it’s, you know, it’s a, it’s a product of not just the time, but like budgetary constraints and everything.
Because again, when Sam got the budget, Evil Dead 2 is basically a remake of Evil Dead and, you know, he makes it more slapstick and, you know, cartoony, right?
43:22
So and.
Yeah, I I think like this film kind of lacks that though.
It’s really dour and the dour like the the storyline itself is, you know, intentionally more serious.
It is, it follows kind of like this Evil Dead Rise element and even the Evil Dead remake of really trying to tackle a particular issue in its theme.
43:47
I’m still OK with that.
I think we’re evil.
That burn kind of loses me is the fact that it like like one of the characters who gets her head smashed in like repeatedly in a really brutal, you know, display of violence.
This film is equally smashing you in the head with saying are you are?
44:07
Do you understand that we’re talking about, you know, female abuse and, like, you know, domestic abuse?
Do you get it yet?
Do you get it yet?
Because like, if you don’t get it yet, even the final line in the movie is going to make sure that you are left bludgeoned with this this theme in mind.
44:24
And I don’t, I don’t believe it because who, who could look at Sophia and be like, throw a pot of water?
At yeah, yeah.
And that’s like kind of the idea of like the burn in this movie, right?
44:39
Like is, you know, from the from the the movies title, even.
It all relates back to this idea of domestic abuse, which is fine.
I’m not saying that those stories aren’t important to be told.
And if Evil Dead Burn had tried to tell that story in a more manageable and less explicit style, I think it could have worked because again, these movies are predicated around trauma and how that impacts people and how it like kind of spreads through the family and spreads through people.
45:06
And it’s sort of the same idea of like being possessed by a dead eye.
That like decrepitude kind of runs through everything because of this trauma.
Fine, I’m I’m OK with it.
I think we’re the the film goes way off the rails is that it like has to come back to it literally every time the characters have to.
45:25
You know, just expressly.
You know exactly I I think like we.
Didn’t, we didn’t need to see a flashback of her being, you know.
Exact no.
Burned like, you know, with the boiling water when they were four times.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, they even if it was just the one type, you don’t need it because you can from your own viewing experience.
45:46
And how?
Because at the funeral, she’s with Will’s parents, his family, not hers.
And so you get to see through the interactions leading up to what happens in the film, like that.
46:03
You can draw your own conclusions.
Like, I don’t know, would Will be a son of a bitch.
And then you see his dad, you know his dad, you know, before he gets corrupted by the dead eyes, you know, being a surly, miserable sack of shit.
46:20
Ta da.
There you go.
Like you don’t.
No, yeah, it’s it’s way overpowered in this movie.
And it is like I, I just feel like it treats the the audience like an idiot.
Like, I know you’re here to see all the gore effects and we’ve got those for you.
46:37
You know, we’ve got those in spades for you.
But we want you to take something away from this too.
So here’s this domestic abuse storyline that almost infantilizes it.
Let’s be honest.
It it it like, you know, takes it from being like a serious topic to being almost comical at the end when literally the protagonist at the end, they say, who did this to you?
46:58
And she says, my ex-husband.
And that’s kind of the thought that it leaves you with as as the paramedic is like, we’re not going to whisk you away in the ambulance to the hospital after you have, you know, injuries to every single part of like your major.
Ma’am, ma’am, you have blood coming out your asshole.
47:17
And yeah, it’s just like, yeah, who did this?
Yeah.
You know, the cops showed up and they’re like ma’am who did this to you?
And they’re like suck my ex-husband like open and shut kidney sounds.
Yeah, time to go back to the station.
47:33
We got other things to deal with.
Yeah, I think I feel like it just, it kind of turns it into a comet, like almost a it’s funny at that point, it’s like.
Listen, I do I do think though, like it’s not the opposite of apropos.
47:51
Sorry, I don’t know written that as you know, well, read this because I almost feel like with how illiterate and unable to see themes as a society today, we are like a kind of makes sense like yeah.
48:09
But at the same time, like this is like Hollywood’s problem for years on end to be so very like, this is what we’re going for, you fucking idiot.
So it’s like a tale as old as time.
Like this is what they’re doing on purpose because I feel like a lot of people like.
48:28
And this comes after me telling my mom to watch Starship Troopers and I’m like, I need to see if you can gleam anything from this.
And she’s like, it just killed bugs.
I don’t know what was going on.
So it’s like, you know, I feel we’re part of like, are we?
Are we the asshole crowd?
48:45
Like, you know, you know, for being part of that special generation without the lead and yeah, media critique and.
Maybe, maybe, maybe if they felt that it was necessary or like people were going to be on their phones while watching and they’re like, only, you know, will they stop scrolling when there’s the gore parts?
49:04
And then they go back to scrolling until they, you know, they have to explicitly say it out loud.
But whatever the case, I felt like it was like way, way too, too overdrawn.
And the whole idea, to be honest with you, the whole like, what is it like last 30 minutes of the movie where it’s the showdown between her and this bad deadeye will that’s come back.
49:24
And you know, the, the whole idea, the symbolism of, you know, facing your your abuser.
Wow man, that just goes on way too fucking long.
He also looks like he looks like he could have been Scorpion and Mortal Kombat.
Right or like some some sort of Marvel enemy that.
49:40
Comes out, you know.
With the CGI, No, I mean to be I really, I feel like that is where, again, the film really lose it, not only because you’re like, Jesus Christ, like how many times this guy going to keep coming back?
Like, yeah, and and and the the the element of just being done with the whole thing, but also the fact that it like, brings it to like this very generic construction yard.
50:02
The whole the idea of, you know, thematic narrative consistency is kind of thrown out the window.
Like nothing really makes much sense if you think about it for more than 10 seconds, you know?
This whole part it.
I really dislike the ending but.
50:19
Yeah, well, I mean, again, this is where it’s spectacle over substance.
Like, like her fault.
Like, yeah, like, wow, how?
Like this could be a Charles Bronson movie.
You know, fucking cars blowing up and right, you know, showdown in the construction yard.
50:35
We just need chainsaw.
Massacre, this is not of you know, the final surprise, right of like you made it out alive.
You know that that is that is a great because it’s abrupt, chaotic and like it happens and then it’s over.
Like this one is like, OK, you know, we get the final scare.
50:54
Here’s the last daddy.
It’s like you’re playing a Japanese game and you’re like, I beat the boss and then it’s like, oh, wait.
Yeah.
No, Chefaroff is evolving.
And then they have the Fordham at 50% help.
What the hell?
And then you beat them and you’re like I got nothing left.
51:11
Well, why one more round with super duper like that?
Like that’s what it’s, you know to.
Say I used to play this game, that same type of game with my son where he’d be like, wait a second, no, I’m level 37 now and like you just keep going and going of like a boss being a boss battle.
51:30
It is the same idea.
And at the end of the day, you’re just like looking at your watch like man, when is this?
When is this over?
Like this just keeps going on And and the the the logic of like the Kandarian dagger too is really frustrating.
51:45
It makes no sense to me.
This is sliding.
Around.
The Tandarian dagger has been hidden in this attic of the grandfather, right?
The deadites are looking for it, presumably because they want to take it someplace where no one can ever have it again.
52:00
So deadites can wreak havoc on earthbound humans, right?
That’s my understanding.
The film never really gives a motive to why they want it, but that’s my my assumption of why.
And why the fact like, like they get called back, that’s the first thing they’re looking for.
Right, exactly like.
I got to take the the get the dagger and take it to the one place in the world no one would ever go to a.
52:21
White cast.
That’s yeah, yeah, my my assumption is that, but the film never gives motive to it.
So you kind of just have to assume that’s the case.
And then so, so like, fine, I guess I’m OK do that.
But like, there’s a lot of the logical things that occur, right.
So like when a deadite possesses someone, they apparently tend to get their memories.
52:41
They know things about the person that they’ve never explicitly said before.
And yet when they possess the, you know, will, he doesn’t know shit.
They don’t know.
They don’t know where the dagger is.
They, they, they, they, they have no idea for some reason, even though they possessed him.
And then later on in the film, she, Alice’s character, she’s, she’s ready.
53:00
She’s trying to trick the deadite.
So she throws A dagger into cement that’s getting poured as though it’s going to be encased in cement forever.
And the Deadite goes looking for it.
And it’s like, but why?
The deadite should be like a pig and shit in that right?
Like he.
53:15
Should be like, yeah, open shut case.
Yeah, you.
Should be like, OK, great, it’s encased in cement.
No one’s going to fucking find this thing.
It’s, you know, great.
We’re, we’re done here.
And yet, no, that’s not like there’s no logical motive to what the Deadites are doing.
And I would prefer if the film had no motive for them and they were just fucking around again, like, right.
53:37
Like, ’cause in, in most of the other films in the Evil Dead franchise, the Deadites are just fucking around.
They, they love to just mess around.
They’re just asshole ghosts.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
It’s just like they love to do this shit.
They love to be obnoxious.
53:53
And, you know, and that’s what they do.
And I don’t think we need some grandiose motive of like, we need to get the Kadarian dagger because we’re going to do this.
And then we’re, you know, there’s there we have they have like a itinerary of things to do when they get out of the the Necronomicon binds.
54:10
You know, I don’t I don’t think we need that.
So that bothered me too.
That’s that’s again, that’s just another another little, little thing that didn’t sit well with me.
With that said, I would say that the gore effects are probably the film’s best highlights, right?
54:30
Like it’s very creative.
It has it, it kind of again tries to up the ante of the already high gore content that their Evil Dead remake had and Evil Dead Rise had, and it does it in creative ways.
I will give it that.
54:45
It is very creative in the ways that it does it and it’s very brutal and mean spirited.
Do you like that about the The Evil Dead movies?
That’s mean spirited.
Well, like the brutality, the gore, the emphasis on gore and stuff like that.
55:01
I, I don’t think it has to be.
I don’t, I mean, to be honest with you, I don’t really think that was a driving focus of the franchise until, you know, Freddie Alvarez 2013, you know, because I wouldn’t say Sam Raimi’s trilogy is overly great or anything.
55:21
Like I’m fine.
Like if that’s what like the franchise now is like, if it wants to be like, how can we one up and make things like, you know, gory and have these inventive kills And so fine.
Like, you know, like for me, it’s not like a thing that’s, you know, a plus and it’s not a minus.
55:42
Like if you’re going to do it, just do well because as we said on the podcast a million times before, but it’s not like it’s going to happen with this franchise.
Imagination is the most powerful tool when it comes to that kind of stuff.
So, you know, the things you can imagine what get done, you know, you probably could, you know, do a better job than what they do.
56:04
So like in this film, there are good moments of that, but at the same time there are bad moments of that.
Having the one guy fucking fall on a dishwasher and forks being impaled by them is fucking stupid.
56:22
Like I and just like.
You don’t have that.
You don’t have that in your apartment.
You don’t have a dishwasher that’s just full of like knife sticking up.
I’m no, I’m the dishwasher.
Well, one thing I did that brings up a really good point.
I didn’t mean to jump.
56:39
In there.
No, no, you’re good.
Go.
For it, as I’ve been accused of doing, of also talking to other people outside, was trying to be more mindful of that.
No, but the one thing that, like, I found myself being excessively, like, annoyed by was the fact that this film is like Chekhov’s Evil Dead in that literally every goddamn shot is like a glaring, you know, almost highlighted shot of like some particular object that’s going to play a role later on in the film.
57:15
Like the pocket knife, the Corkscrew, the dishwasher, you know, like, it’s literally everything to the point where you’re like, OK, what is not going to play a role in the later part of this movie?
It’s like you’re watching a wrestling match and it’s a Tables and Ladders and chair match and you’re like, oh, that Jim Ross is sitting there going, I ain’t sitting that table of I wonder what’s going to happen.
57:40
And then like, you know, like, you know, nothing happens in 15 minutes later.
Oh, Jeff, right.
He puts cane through the table.
Oh God, he prayed, pray for his hands.
You know, it’s just like the same thing like, like.
Like it is the only thing that I could have had more obvious is like if it had a Mario style like item inventory that showed up on screen.
58:01
Like he takes the Corkscrew and it’s like in red or something.
You know, like, you know, I did the way that Japanese games do that where they highlight like, you know, special items.
That’s all it needed because like the film is it what it does this repeatedly, like over and over again like this.
58:17
It’s subtle nods like this is going to happen sometime like you, when you least expect it.
We’re coming back to this and it’s like I, I expect it like there’s.
No, you’re not.
You’re not you’re not doing good job suss sussing it out.
You’re literally like, I’m going to stab the dog with a fucking.
58:34
Right.
Yeah.
Not, not when everything is like that.
Not when like even like the care, the funeral caretakers, ear ear Earpods are fucking Chekhov’s Earpods too.
Like, I mean, you know what I mean?
Like it’s, yeah, at a certain point that that really loses its luster when you do that every single time.
58:55
That really frustrated me that that.
Like that?
That guy loved cremate people.
Yes, he does.
Yeah.
Yeah, he does.
He doesn’t really like any other part of the job, but like, you know, dancing around and cremating people.
It’s awesome.
Also, let’s talk about, because you mentioned it, the fucking excessively gigantic coffin that that dude had for no other reason than to be burned up in it.
59:18
Like, seriously, it’s like the most elaborate coffin that you can think of.
It’s like Tutankhamun’s tomb getting thrown into a, you know, Crematory.
Yeah, into the incinerator.
Yeah.
No, like it’s so big for no reason.
59:36
You’re like, oh, no.
Like it’s like, why the fuck is this thing so big?
The guy wasn’t like, right, Huge huge like what the hell?
The thing that they don’t show you is like, he was like 8 feet tall.
Like, they didn’t, they didn’t get a chance to show that information.
But yeah, like, and then that that bothers me too, is like, you’re buying this like really elaborate over the top coffin just to burn it up.
59:59
And like, you know, why would you even bother at that point?
Like just put me in a bunch of wood and just throw me in there.
Like I really don’t give a shit.
Like what I’m?
Surrounded by.
If I was to tell family, like I want to be cremated, if you spend like a shit ton of money on a God damn, you know, coffin, fuck, you’re like, no, yeah.
1:00:18
Be smart.
Just.
Especially just to.
Burn.
Yeah, just put me in one of those like, you know, a few dollars more coffins.
Yeah, exactly.
Couldn’t sit in there like make it 3 years.
Yeah, that would actually be awesome.
I would prefer it.
And the thing that you know, is funny when thinking about that is like when you get those ashes back, think about how much would be a person versus the wood around them.
1:00:40
Like it’s going to be mostly wood, but at that point like the ashes that you get like that it probably the urns going to be like 30 lbs of ashes, you know?
Because the coffin so God.
Yeah, this is ridiculous.
Not only that, though, one thing I, I mean, I just noticed now thinking about it, the family gets upset because Alice is dressed up in like, you know, European Serb asshole, like leisure wear with like her fucking, you know, tracksuit and whatever.
1:01:11
And they’re like, you’d even dress nice for your husband’s funeral.
You hated him.
There were three people at that funeral.
Yeah.
That’s like, like, like, why are you upset?
Like how she’s even, like, you know, Yeah.
It’s just funny because she’s like, so you, you dress nice and it’s.
1:01:28
Literally no friends at all to and then the funeral.
You go to the funeral.
It’s literally just her, the parents, and then his brother and his girlfriend.
And it’s just, you know, like.
That is hilarious.
See, I did think about that.
I was like, you know, like the film didn’t really harp on it either.
1:01:45
It didn’t really discuss or even mention why the the funeral would be like so lightly populated.
It’s, you know, missed opportunity there.
Because everyone knew he was an asshole.
Yeah, yeah.
It’s just fun in here.
It’s just like, again, I don’t know, the film has to really harp on those types of things, but what else?
1:02:07
What else?
What else?
Didn’t I?
Didn’t I lead us into anything you that I didn’t mention yet?
That’s like all I could think.
Of I think that’s about it.
I mean, I think we really covered it.
I think, you know, well, let’s just, let’s just give it a rating.
1:02:24
You know, we might as well just get into it and and feel out how everybody appreciated the movie.
So on a scale of zero to 10 boating incidents, what would you give Evil Dead Burned?
1:02:46
Man, so many God damn boating incidents.
It’s true up there.
Yeah, I’ll give it a six out of 10.
It’s it’s like, as you said, like.
It is a very flawed film, but it is fun.
It’s long, it is too long in the tooth, could use like half an hour cut off of it.
1:03:07
But when the film is doing the dead eye smashes and gore and fun and kills and fights, you turn your brain off and you have fun.
I had more fun with this film than I did with Ryzes, that’s for sure.
1:03:24
From what I remember, because I remember feeling it was pretty boring here, even though this film is longer, at least it has a good sense to have enough entertainment to keep me, you know, going.
1:03:40
Will I revisit it?
No.
If it’s on, though, it’s not like I’m going to get mad.
It’s like, again, when you think about it, it is fucking stupid.
Nothing makes sense.
As you, as Ryan said, it’s oh, you know, over the top in the way like babies you through some of this, you know, the story and character development stuff.
1:04:02
But at the end of the day, it is what it is, a over the top, you know, gore fest.
It if you can have fun with that, you can have fun with it.
I don’t think I don’t think anyone’s going to walk away from this film thinking they just saw The Godfather.
1:04:23
You know, there’s no one’s going to be like this is changing, you know, you know, cinema, cinema forever.
So like, yeah, like it’s at it was I was entertained enough and to enjoy it.
So yeah, 6 out of 10.
1:04:39
Yeah, I’m going to agree with you.
You know, I was pretty critical of it, but I’m going to give it a six out of 10.
I think that it is overall an entertaining movie.
It, it does a good job of doing what a film should do, which is primarily to entertain.
1:04:57
If you were to really sit down and think about it, it’s it really loses a lot of it’s you know, it’s it’s main points because it it doesn’t have an internal consistent logic to it.
1:05:14
It doesn’t really meet the franchise’s expectations of the Canon, you know, at least from certainly from Sam Raimi’s films, but then again, not even really situated within the extended stand alone franchise of Evil Dead movies and not and even if it even if it did do that, there’s no explanation as to why.
1:05:39
So it it really feels like a missed opportunity and to me really seems like a tenuous connection at best to the Evil Dead franchise, almost in the same sense of some of the other films that have had a like Necronomicon in it or, you know, like a tangential reference to the Evil Dead.
1:06:00
It is almost more like that than it is an actual Evil Dead film.
Again, I don’t think that’s like make or break for people to like the movie, but I do think that it does feel weird.
And I think that tonally the movie is really kind of almost too dour for its own good in the sense that it’s so focused on getting this trauma and abuse steam out that it really it almost refrains from having a fun time.
1:06:33
You know, it’s it’s brutal and mean spirited and normally that would also kind of harken to like a more fun experience.
But like the movie is kind of also not fun on purpose.
So it’s it’s it’s just kind of a strange blend of those feelings, But still, I enjoyed watching it.
1:06:54
I don’t think I’ll revisit it often, but if it was on, I’d probably watch it and you know, maybe in like just throwing it on for something fun to have on in the background would be fair.
But I don’t think it’s like the best in the evil dead franchise in and I I do think that probably still the Evil Dead remake is the better of the newer films that have been released.
1:07:15
And I do think this one minimally tops Evil dead rise.
So 6 out of 10 for me.
All right, so that’s Evil Dead Burn.
We also forgot to mention that when we went to see this movie, it was Monday afternoon, literally only three days after the film released.
1:07:36
We were the only ones in the theatre.
So it’s great.
Yeah, it was.
It was nice.
I’m just saying I’m surprised there was literally no one else there.
So that was that was an experience.
All right, so what’s next?
We had a couple things that you want to do.
1:07:52
You wanted to do potentially what a Mel Brooks film you wanted to do.
I mean, we’re getting close into 80s action month, so I.
Mean that is true.
I I would love to do a Mel Brooks film for his 100th birthday.
I would like to do the new Spider Man.
1:08:09
Sure, and I think he also wanted to do a.
Sam Neil tribute.
Right.
A Sam Neil tribute, lots of things, so who knows you?
We haven’t done Jurassic Park.
You know what we’re going to do?
Jurassic Park 3.
What?
Fuck you.
1:08:24
That’s.
What?
That’s right.
Yeah, you get William H Macy.
Event Horizon would be pretty fun too.
You know, there is a film that of a Sam Neill film I would love to do.
It’s a 2010, a Space Odyssey, the sequel to 2001.
1:08:42
Because I’ve never seen that and I’m curious to how that is because I think it’s supposed to be underrated.
Gotcha.
And 2001 The Space Odyssey is one of my favorite films.
1:09:03
Interesting.
Let me see it’s I got it’s 2010 something I’m trying to 2nd.
Yeah.
When was that released?
Like 1980. 40, OK, yeah.
Kubrick, they had nothing to do with that.
1:09:20
Yeah, yeah.
So lots of stuff on the agenda for potential stuff.
I know.
And then we have our, we’re going to back to our hot action month 80s, well, not 80s, but just action month.
1:09:36
Yeah, 2010, the year we make contact.
Is that what?
You’re talking about Oh my because.
He’s not in that if you are Sam, Neil is not.
Serious.
I thought he was.
1:09:52
Nope.
Oh God damn.
Yeah.
But anyway, so yeah, we’re we’ll be back.
I don’t know if we’ll be back next week or taking 22, taking a week off.
1:10:11
But it’s Roy Schneider.
Yeah, it’s Roy Schneider.
That’s damn points.
So yeah, I think.
And John Lithgow, like he’s nice and young.
John Lithgow and the Helen Mirren, you know.
I think what we’ll do is we’ll take a week off, we will do, we’ll do one more episode and then we will be jumping into August for red hot something summer.
1:10:40
We haven’t yet decided which decade we’re going to be doing.
If we’re doing 80s, nineties, 2000s, could we go back to the 70s perhaps?
What if we just did the?
Expendables.
Yeah, like, who knows?
It’s anything’s is the Sky’s the limit on what we could do.
1:10:58
So we’re going to think about that.
We’re going to Mull over that.
But if you do have a suggestion, you can let us know like what you what you would like us to do.
My God, there’s four Expendable Movies Now.
Yeah, Yeah, they did quite a few.
I had no idea they did a fourth one like a couple of years ago.
1:11:14
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1:11:29
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1:11:47
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1:12:05
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Listening Red Brown still alive.
Yeah, nice.
Good for him.
Thanks.
1:12:20
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