Episode: 355 • Duration: 01:16:33
We don’t often venture into anime territory, but on this episode we talk about Lupin the Third and specifically, the very odd 1974 live-action film Lupin the Third: Strange Psychokinetic Strategy! We discuss the silly slapstick antics, the plot (or lack thereof), and how it all rolls into the franchise/Monkey Punch’s original manga.
We’re also drinking Dogfish Head’s Grateful Dead Citrus Daydream Lager!
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0:00-24:00 Intro
24:00-35:00 Beer talk
35:00-end Lupin the Third: Strange Psychokinetic Strategy
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Transcript – LUPIN THE THIRD: STRANGE PSYCHOKINETIC STRATEGY (auto-generated)
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0:05
Lepan.
He’s a nice man, but he’s cool.
You know?
He uses Walter.
Yeah.
The machine cries.
Bang, bang.
0:24
Yeah.
He’s the Lepan the Third.
1:02
Hey guys, welcome back to the Blood Micron Podcast.
I’m Ryan from closeplotation.com and I’m joined with my Co host Martin.
How’s it going?
Doing pretty well.
Hopefully everybody enjoyed our little Easter break that we we did where we did a repost of one of our episodes that we did in the fairly recent past, which was Critters 2.
1:23
So we had a little break and, and I’ll try to do that a little bit more here, reposting some of the things that we have done in the past and drawing attention to it.
But with that said, we’re back from a little short little break and we’re ready to talk a movie that Martin recommended.
1:41
I’m going to throw that out there right now.
Just putting it in the forefront.
Martin always likes to complain about the fact that my pick sometimes, you know, Night of the Leapest being one of them that we just did a couple weeks ago, are sometimes not the the greatest movies to watch.
1:59
Hold on, hold on, I didn’t give you shit for the night of the leap.
No, you didn’t.
I was, I was saying night of the leap at. 1st, I did.
I say at first I did, but after watching it, you know, in our review, but like yeah, no, like I will never forgive Jamaica.
Yeah, I will never.
Revisit that one.
But but yeah, I mean, so sometimes I pick some movies that I know intentionally are bad, you know, just on purpose.
2:23
But then at the same time, we happen maybe sometimes pick some that we don’t realize because we’ve never seen them before, but it’s something that we want to to check out.
And so I just putting that out there right now that this is Martin’s pick and you know, again to the idea of of doing anime is something that we’ve done a couple times, right, like we’ve done a few.
2:44
I think we what are the episodes of being it might be the ghost in the show the the the actual anime and then we do the live action ghost in the show which had scar Joe in it.
It’s pretty much the only thing I remember about that one.
She was.
She was in peak heartless with that, with the, you know, the majors haircut.
3:03
And we’ll have to repost that one ’cause that was quite a while ago.
I can’t even remember when that movie came out.
But like I said, I don’t remember anything about it besides Scar Joe being in it. 2017.
Yeah.
When we saw it in theaters, yeah, I do remember that.
I don’t like I said, I don’t remember anything else about it.
3:19
But yeah, we’ve done we’ve done Ghost in the Shell and 2727.
So it’s really it’s really stretching.
So at some point that’ll be one that will UN uncover from the archives and and repost and maybe revisit a little bit or like add additional things like if we if we decide to go back and take a listen to it and see what we said about it, maybe we’ll revisit a little bit.
3:41
But yeah, that’s we haven’t done a lot of anime, I guess is what I’m trying to get at, or anime related things.
And and that’s, you know, that’s it’s a little bit strange because we are both of us are interested in anime to some extent.
And you know, we do frequently watch anime or, or related Japanese type films.
4:03
And so we, I guess it was in, you know, it’s, it’s in our wheelhouse to discuss these types of movies.
And one of those that has really, you know, come about is Loop on the 3rd, which is a, an anime series that has dated back for quite a long time, since the 70s.
4:22
It’s not, you know, long running in the sense of like Detective Conan, right, which is basically just like somebody sitting around just pumping out Detective Conan, like just consistently throughout like 50 years of of anime Ester.
4:38
It’s yeah, it’s not like that because that’s kind of been a long running just like, you know, here it is.
Here’s here’s here’s 1000 episodes of it.
Just keep it going.
But in, in Lupon’s case, it’s it’s it’s a long running series, but it’s not necessarily having like a consistent release schedule.
5:01
It’s it’s gone through iterations.
It, it’s had a numerous elements added to it, including, you know, what’s now been known as like the type of jacket series that it’s, you know, spawned.
5:16
You know, you, you can tell which kind of iteration of Lupin you’re watching based on what jacket he’s wearing for the most part, or in the more recent sense, the locales he’s visiting or, or what, what setting he’s in.
So like, you know, you’ve got the French setting or the Italian setting, which I think is pretty cool in terms of how the series has expanded over the years.
5:43
But I think, you know, in the short term in, in in the 70s, the series was very still finding its footing, I guess, would you say?
Yeah, I mean like, so I mean, it’s it’s been it’s been a lot like it’s been a long journey for the franchise because it’s up until recently a little not like, you know, known in like North America, but not like widely celebrated as an anime and manga.
6:16
It started out in 67 by Monkey Punch as a manga as like kind of his fun take on Bond, Mission Impossible, Mad magazine.
So it’s a very antic and like a frantic and you know, devil without a cause, like style read and like it’s good, I think.
6:41
I think, though, if you’re like, you know, just getting into the if you’re wondering about how the franchise says, I wouldn’t suggest the manga.
I own all that’s the only manga that I own all the bunk.
I run the own the first series.
The second series.
They only released the first six volumes before they stop printing them because they’re like, no one’s buying shit except me.
7:03
But it had like it from the manga it spawned, you know, a couple pilot films spawned the 1971 green jacket series, the first to show which that show had its own troubled back story behind it with the production and it it ended up being a really good show.
7:20
But I mean, it’s it was a story of two different, you know, Lupons and because it’s first half starts off as, you know, more like the manga, more serious in tone and then high on Miyazaki takes over halfway through the show to try to get those ratings up.
7:37
And you know, Miyazaki, Miyazaki ifies it like the series doesn’t really find it like it found it’s like footing in popularity in like a lot of like really good animes on like their reruns on like midnight runs.
7:54
And then eventually in 77 you get Part 2 comes out the red jacket series.
That’s the most famous one and the longest running one at 155 episodes.
And that one is the series that really cements, you know, what Lupon is, is like more of a fun, you know, there’s some serious stuff, but fun while, you know, globetrotting, you know, Tom and Jerry antics.
8:23
So and then the you know, series ends up eventually, you know, pumping out like ATV special every year from 88 to like 2014, I think, you know, instead of having a constantly run series, there was a couple series, like you said, with Lupon part 4 being in Italy came out in 2015.
8:45
That one’s really good, but you know, it’s in Japan.
Widely known discotheque.
Thank God one of the anime distributors in North America was one of the first to hop on and, you know, start introducing these animes and movies to the public.
9:04
More widely known, Funimation had an earlier run with like some of the TV specials, but they only got like the license to like 7 of them.
And, you know, they didn’t really do anything with them after the fact.
But, you know, Needless to say in my rambling, it’s, you know, it’s a, it’s a long treasure, you know, long loved and treasured series.
9:29
The reason I got into it was because of Adult Swim.
Adult Swim aired the 1st 23 episodes of this year.
Part 2 with the Pioneer dub, which is the dub that’s still going on with Richard Epcar.
9:45
And I’m drawing her drawing blank on names, but, you know, the most, most prolific English dub for the series.
And, you know, that’s what got me into it was like, oh, this is so funny.
So, you know, as a kid.
10:02
So.
Yeah.
And and also too, it’s important to note that for for American audiences, like you were saying, a lot of the a lot of the later episodes in at Part 2 and part three were not readily available either.
10:20
Very difficult to find.
I remember at one point we were searching like Russian torrent sites to try to figure out if we could find the later episodes in the series.
More so because at that time to the the subbing community was maybe not as engaged.
10:39
And so yeah, so you would either end up with, you know, you could find the episode, but it wasn’t subbed, or you could find it and it was subbed, but it was horribly, very poorly subbed.
So it was very difficult at the time.
10:56
I haven’t really quite looked into if Part 2 and part three are more readily available now.
They are the discothex got full.
Oh, they’ve, you’ve got it all now.
Yeah.
So, so it it’s really definitely become more widespread.
There’s huge community for it both in Japan and outside of Japan in.
11:15
Fact.
I was going to say, in fact, Tubi has a shit ton of the TV specials and it has Part 1 and I believe Part 2.
Crunchyroll I think has all of them now, Part 1234 and five and probably 6.
11:31
I don’t think the movies, but I know Crunchyroll has like it’s stuff too.
So yeah, we’ve come come a long way in the fandom.
And we certainly also can’t discount the fact that one of the most prominent Lupon movies was directed by Miyazaki, Castle of Cagliostro.
11:47
So, you know, that also helps to have increase the, you know, the allure of Lupan the third as a, you know, as a series because, you know, there’s a lot of people who just see Miyazaki the name and then are like, all right, well, let me let me check it out.
12:05
I’ve got to check it out.
And so that was, you know, in 1979, that was probably a very, you know, less so then, but more so now, as Miyazaki is widely recognized even outside of Japan.
It’s basically basically they’re Walt Disney, Yeah.
12:22
It’s it’s certainly helped to have his name attached to one of the more prominent movies in the series too.
So.
It is it is the most prominent one.
It’s the second theatrical film.
The first one was Mystery of Momo, which is more like the very much more like the manga and you know, again, because of Miyazaki’s, you know, running the first show for half the show.
12:48
And if you watch it, you can see, you know, Fujiko goes from, you know, having long hair and giant tits hanging out to him being like you got a Bob cut and like recovering you up.
Now we don’t need you being, you know, but a lot of like the things that like, you know, the Miyazaki isms get injected into Lupon from, you know, Cagliostro and on because it’s so damn popular and.
13:12
Rights and the the womanizing antics are sort of downplaying that the it’s still funny, but it does take on some more serious elements to the spy and thief elements that you know, would be more prominent now.
13:30
So it, yeah, there is definitely a collusion of those things, especially after Miyazaki’s direction.
So with that said, we’re getting into what we’re actually doing for this episode, which is none of those things, right?
We’re not doing Castle with Caglierostro.
13:46
We’re not doing any actual anime itself.
Go go 13.
There’s also another long.
Running from the 6th?
No, we are.
We’re actually covering the 1st loop on the third live action film, which is strange psychokinetic strategy from 1974.
14:07
Not to be confused as I did with the 2014 live action film which was just titled Lupon the Third.
And you know the confusing thing about that was it?
That film is also directed by Kitamura, who is actually pretty well known for a Japanese director in directing a number of cult films and horror films.
14:36
And so you can understand my confusion when we talked about watching The Loop on the third live action and I saw that one and I I watched the 2014 version instead, not recognizing that Martin actually wanted to do the 1974 version.
14:51
Well, ’cause you’re getting ahead of yourself.
We had, you know.
That’s right, yeah.
And and that that 2014 version was OK.
I’ll, I’ll just talk about it because I did watch it.
I watched all 2 two hours and 15 minutes of it.
So it was OK.
It it might be one that we’ll do later on to talk about how the differences and how that one works in terms of being a live action film, especially considering it is a more recent live action film and live action anime has become much bigger interest for most people.
15:26
Especially considering the One Piece live action that is actually doing fairly well considering the amount of things that have not done well in a live action setting.
Looking at you like Cowboy Bebop, which got cancelled after the first season on Netflix.
15:44
Which is I would say I I did see a thing the other day.
Netflix is now looking to do Samurai shampoo.
But this time they they sort they were like because with the Cowboy Bebop live action, which is, you know, even if it was good sacrosanct, you know, Yeah, that doesn’t didn’t need to be touched, you son as a bitches.
16:04
Anyway, they didn’t consult wantanabi at all.
And this is again.
And like, so now they’re thinking about like maybe we should, you know, they’re going to bring Watanabe on board to, you know, help steward and like get the feel.
And you know, because again, and we’ll talk about this too with this movie, like adapting anime into film is hard because just like if it were to be like you’re in turn Bugs Bunny into a live action film, right?
16:35
Well, what the hell does that mean?
Or what’s that going to entail?
Because the reason why it’s animated is the visuals and can be in like the storytelling.
Like I don’t want to see, I know they would exist, but I don’t want to see a live action Death Toll or Full Metal Alchemist.
16:53
Like because the story isn’t going to be as better as it is in the like it’s in the comic book or you know, in the anime because of the way it’s presented.
Lupon is one of the franchises.
I think you could do that way, but it depends on how you do it.
17:13
And I think as we’ll get into the film, when we talk about this film, I think, you know, like I said, it’s just hard to do.
Yeah, in most scenarios, I would say it is really not worth it to make a live action version of an anime.
17:33
There’s a reason why it exists as an anime, right?
There’s not.
It’s not like somebody was just sitting around and being like, huh, you know, like we have the option of making this live action, but we’re going to go to this tedious task of drawing every single frame and and doing.
17:49
There’s a reason for it.
It’s because generally anime is fairly fantastical, has elements to it that just don’t translate well into trying to shoot it.
There’s a lot of things that you would think of as like like manga is literal storyboards basically, right.
18:05
And and so in the sense of trying to bring to life storyboards, that’s very difficult.
A lot of you know, like angles and things are not just just don’t translate well to being a live action camera shot.
So in in general, I would say when you’re thinking about making something live action, the first thing that you really think need to think about is does it really make sense to try to make it live action?
18:32
When if it has so much fantastical elements that you’re effectively turning it into like a persona CGI thing, you know, like the that you, you just can’t, you can’t do most of what you want without making it somewhat computer generated anyway.
18:51
If that answer is no, we can’t do that without a bunch of CGI, then I would say you probably shouldn’t go that route because it just seems like it would be not very useful and and and effectively just watering down the original content.
19:08
Now if which?
Is say which say, which is the same thing though too.
Like even if it’s like a Japanese translation, like it’s not going to be as good either because they don’t spend $200 million on fucking CGI and the shit out of a movie.
But even still with like Disney do and doing that with like the Marvel series, like, yeah, it’s like, oh, cool, look at that.
19:26
But like, after a while with, like, all the Doctor Strange shit going on, it’s like, if you can’t, like this is just like what you’re paying.
Like, I love Benedict Cumberbatch paying him like $20 million just standing in front of a green screen.
Yeah, you know, it’s true.
19:43
It’s it’s like you lost the like the plot.
There and this is the same problem too that actually anime struggles with when adapting manga right?
So manga has a particular feel to it as well.
The black and white feel might give it a certain element.
20:02
And I think probably one of the most relevant examples of that would be Uzumaki from Junji Ito, which is a very difficult thing to adapt into moving pictures.
There’s, there’s a feeling of like cursedness and macabre elements that just do not translate well to live action or even anime just trying to bring it to life in a moving picture setting.
20:33
It relies a lot on the unseen of the, the, the atmosphere.
And when you try to put that into motion and, and actually you’re literally trying to visualize it instead of elicit a feeling, it just doesn’t work that well.
20:54
And so I think that we, you know, live action from anime suffers from a very similar element of trying to adapt manga into anime, which doesn’t always work.
And so again, those are questions you need to ask yourself and questions that Netflix routinely doesn’t ask itself when they’re just like, yeah, let’s just you know, it’s a popular series, let’s just fucking let’s do a live action 1 of it.
21:17
So that these are things that they really need to ask themselves before they do that anyway, like getting off on the tangent there.
So with lupon strange psychokinetic strategy, we we neither of us had seen this movie before.
This was something that, you know, had been we knew about, but not something that we had seen.
21:38
And you know, for good reason as well.
It’s scary entering into something like this where you’re just like, I’m not sure what I’m going to get right.
So you know, sometimes it’s better to have it know that it exists, but not have experienced it.
In terms of I was gonna say discotheque also like one of their like earliest things that they released was this film on DVD back in the day, even before they really had like a lot of like the Lupon licenses locked up.
22:06
So good for them.
I think it’s been out of print though so because I saw something on Amazon a used copy cost like $150.00.
Right.
And it’s actually, it’s actually pretty hard to find really.
It’s not something that you, you know, it’s, you have to really be looking for it in order to to find it.
22:24
It’s not super popular and although it does have its followers and fans, but yeah.
So this movie was one of the earlier adaptations of Loop on the 3rd.
I believe that we only had this the first series at this point in time.
22:40
Besides this, you know the Monkey Punch manga which was adapted from.
Yeah, it was just would have been just the manga on the 1st and first series.
And that’s kind of surprising too, that someone was like, we have a series that was at that time, not that super popular or well received.
22:58
Mongo, I’ll say I’ll say the mongo was.
Correct.
Yeah, but the series itself was not super popular, and so they were just like, let’s jump straight to a live action movie.
It’s kind of a weird strategy.
Strange psychokinetic strategy, one might say, but you know that’s what they did and so and again too.
23:19
So 1974, as Martin has pointed out to me.
But you also have to recognize when we have to we have to state that like at this point, what we know of as lupon the third was probably not as the the connotations are not there right at that time.
23:38
You kind of you like you only have the manga to go off of in in the first series anime, which was pretty the first series is like we’re saying more somewhat more comedic, more womanizing and more stand alone, which is kind of different than what we’re we’ve been getting more recently from loop on the 3rd, which is that they now have overarching storylines, even if there are stand alone episodes within.
24:06
So a good example of that is like new the new parts like part 4 part 5 May have stand alone episodes, but the overarching arc of the series does have an overall plot to it.
Whereas like this would be kind of more considered like instead of monster of the week, you had more like.
24:27
Yeah.
Exactly.
And so they kind of, they kind of were just week to week doing different things within the series, which is not super uncommon, especially for series back then in the 70s to not have an overarching pie.
24:43
That’s something that, you know, now in the golden age of TV, we kind of expect is that there’s going to be, instead of just constant stand alone episodes, there’s an overarching thing that you’re building.
Towards listen, even great shows like Mobile Suit Gundam, the original 1979 one has great fiddler episode such as we need to go find salt break.
25:05
The chef of the of the white base says salt’s an important thing for the diet of the soldiers.
We don’t have enough salt to keep the salt, you know, the beef salt.
And so we got to go find salt.
That’s right.
One of my favorite episodes of the show because it’s just so fucking like the show this week on mobile suit condom White base is scouring the desert to look for salt.
25:27
You know, it’s just you know, it’s just great.
But yeah, I really like I knew about this film.
I’ve wanted to watch it.
It’s been on my list.
I just never gotten the chance to do it because it’s like like for me, I don’t know how you watched it, but I had to watch it on Internet Archive in glorious 360P.
25:51
I airplayed it to my TV so it wasn’t that bad, but I mean, still like, you know, it’s, it’s like.
You know that copy wasn’t much better is.
Probably so, yeah, like it’s.
Still it.
Wasn’t bad, but I mean at the same time, you know, I, I do think someone’s like, you really should just like do a Blu-ray.
26:06
I think do the world a favor, do a Blu-ray, you know, nice 4K.
I’m sure it will at some point.
Discotheque’s been releasing more and more where they have.
They’re kind of expanding what their, you know, their, their releases into something like 4K.
26:24
So they they might do it, I don’t know.
I’m going to write stuff right now even though I know it’s technically not the website name anymore because they got bought out.
Yeah, I don’t, I don’t think it’s really readily available though at this point.
So, yeah, let’s take a break real quick before we go any further on the movie itself and we’ll talk about the beer that we have on the show today, which technically I don’t have it right now ’cause we’re actually recording like during like the midday.
26:51
So I don’t, I had it yesterday though, so I can, I can speak about it.
But yeah, this one was one that I I grabbed because it looked interesting and also because we have not had Dogfish Head in some time since we probably complained about them being so expensive.
27:10
And now they’ve kind, it’s kind of come full circle.
And now it’s not that expensive anymore and everything else is just really expensive.
So, so now, now everything is expensive and Dogfish Head doesn’t really seem all that different from the rest of the expensive beers that are that are out now.
27:28
So kind of interesting how that goes.
Sam Am’s has got me by the balls now because it’s like I never used to care for cold snap or somewhere like I liked it, but like, you know, wasn’t like, you know, searching for it.
Now it’s like I’m now I’m 40 and I’m like, this is great craft beer and it’s $24.00 a 12 pack and it’s like every couple of days I’m buying a new.
27:51
I know.
So what I grabbed was so Dogfish Head has a new one out.
It’s there.
So they they they have a couple of beers where they’ve partnered with the Grateful Dead.
And I’m not, I’m not a dead head, right?
I don’t really care for the jam band aspect of Grateful Dead, but I mean, it’s fine enough.
28:10
It’s not something like, again, what I’m saying is it’s not, that’s not the reason why I was like, wow, I got to grab this beer.
You know it’s Grateful Dead and enhanced, but.
Even though, even though the juicy IPA was one of the best, I can’t remember what the hell it was called before they renamed it, but you know.
28:29
Yeah, this one is the new though.
It’s it’s another Grateful Dead tie in and it’s the Citrus Daydream Lager, which I thought sounded pretty good, you know, a nice little citrusy lager.
It’s they they’re calling it brewed lime lemongrass, lemon peel and phonyo green.
28:48
So I thought, hey, that sounds pretty good.
It’s new.
I’m going to grab it.
And so that’s why we got it on the show today.
I’ll let you the are you drinking it right now?
Yes, I am OK all right, so it’s 11:00.
Do you drink it?
So what do you?
Some no.
Judging.
29:04
Some of us are dedicated to the show.
There you go.
And like you, so I’ll let you go first.
What?
Since you have it right now, what do you what do you think about the Citrus Day Dream Logger?
It’s delightful.
According to the website for them, it says it’s a rice logger.
29:25
Don’t know if I really noticed that.
You know, I do like rice loggers, but it doesn’t really matter because it’s this is a a damn refreshing beer for your warm days.
It’s got a nice easy drinking thin body with a nice touch of lemon, hint of lemongrass there.
29:47
You get like just enough of the citrus to make it feel like, you know, with and a lime too, to make it feel like God.
This is a this is designed for summer.
It’s 5 almost 5 1/2 percent. 5.3 doesn’t feel it like, you know, heavy at all.
30:07
Very light, very refreshable.
If this came in a 12 pack, you’d have a winner.
So do that, Dogfish.
I don’t just put a six package into shits because or or better.
Yeah, because I become a fan.
Like, big fan, big fan, tall boys.
30:24
Yep, nothing better than grabbing a couple of tall boys and just being done for the day.
Yeah, I believe that they are.
They are putting the the juicy pale ale in a tall boy.
Yep, I so they only they but they haven’t done the citrus day dream.
So yeah, it would be a good idea for sure.
30:40
This is available apparently all year round, so good on them, you know?
Yeah, Yeah.
Maybe colder than a Witch’s Ted in upstate New York in middle of November, but you know what?
You can still.
Heavier.
There you go.
Daydream, Logger and yeah, hit the old SEPA and listen to some working man’s dead.
30:58
That’s right.
Which I will say, I do like the Grateful Dead.
I like their albums.
Not a guy for the live shit.
I don’t need to hear a 40 minute version of Ripple.
It’s not for me.
I don’t do acid or marijuana for me to enjoy that experience, right?
31:18
Yeah, for me, I think that I like this beer a lot.
I think it’s really drinkable, really crushable.
It goes down smooth.
It was, I remember it being very, you know, very lagery like it has a nice citrus feel to it, but not overwhelmingly citrus.
31:39
I didn’t get a huge amount of lemon in it.
It’s just kind of like a very light and you know, it’s very, very mild on the flavour profile, but I think like overall it’s got a nice little lager sweetness to it, very drinkable, something that you’ll want during the summer for sure.
32:00
I would definitely get this again.
I think it’s a really good standard style lemony lager for for a summer type drinking.
So really nice.
I liked it.
I liked it a lot and again, Doctor Shedd is kind of come back around for a first full circle.
32:15
So you don’t feel as bad buying a six pack for the price because that’s the price on everything.
So interesting to to know.
Before we get into the film, yeah, you know who had two different films together?
No.
Lupon the third versus detective coden Oh, that’s special TV special and Lucia after.
32:36
That’s kind of why I brought up the technical name as well.
Yes, and I’m not I, I, I, I’ve seen a number of case closed episodes, the you know, the American version that they they released recently and I thought it was pretty good.
Actually I didn’t I did not mind it.
I would I would continue to watch but have not seen the Lupon tie insurance at all.
32:59
From what I remember being the.
Yeah, well, I mean, it is a weird little Yeah, I feel like it is a weird combo.
All right, so let’s get into the movie, though we’ve we’ve kind of dicked around beside it, but we haven’t really talked about it yet.
33:21
So it’s.
One of our longest intros?
That’s right.
So strange psychokinetic strategy is loop on the 3rd, loop on the third.
Yeah, it’s a it’s a really strange movie, right?
I think that the idea was to capitalize on the very silly kind of goofy antics of the manga of of monkey Punches original and also kind of spoof the idea of this burglar thief slash heist film.
34:02
But the way that it plays out is very inane is I guess what I would call it.
I don’t know if you would agree, but I, I, I felt like the movie ultimately had very little direction in it in terms of how it played out because yes, it does.
34:31
So it effectively is attempt to introduce the characters that we know from the manga and anime, which would be Fujiko Lupon and well, in Zenigata as the inspector who’s trying to capture Lupon and then Jigen as well.
34:50
And so the idea in this movie is that they’ve really all kind of are meeting each other for the first time.
And that’s really where it begins.
And and I don’t know what, what do you what do you think about that whole aspect of the movie starting out sort of at the beginning of their all of their relationships?
35:13
I’m fine, especially because it’s a lupon trope that’s been driven right into the fucking ground.
It’s most perfectly, you know, kind of made an episode 0.
That’s one of the best Lupon specials, I think from 2000, 2001.
35:31
Fine with it because again, it’s a first movie, so it’s fine.
You know, it’s I got no problem with that as the premise of them all getting like meeting to, you know, each other for the first time.
And I’m also happy because this is one of the things and you can comment too, whether or not you agree with it, because you’re also a fan of the series.
35:53
I hate in any fucking Lupon episode or movie where they shoot or whatever the project is, where they shoehorn characters in where they’re not needed.
The story had no reason to put Goemon in here, he’s not fucking here.
36:11
So thank God we don’t have the God damn samurai running around needlessly.
Just like for the one point, once again, cut something useless.
So kudos.
But I’m, I’m, I’m fine with the, the premise of it being like their first time meeting, you know, because again, wouldn’t really make sense to just like, you know, like, oh, it’s just like, like they’re all together, like, you know.
36:38
Well, I guess what I really don’t dislike about it, I’ve I actually prefer that the relationship between Lupon and and Jigen is really sort of clouded in terms of they’re just are friends and they hang out together.
And so this film sort of tries to give that much more back story.
36:58
And it’s not really that much because the film actually doesn’t really spend that much time on characters.
But for what it does give, it basically says that Jigen is sort of like this, this follower of the Lupon the third ancestry, right?
Like the, the the group of Lupon, you know, so Lupon is the third in the are saying Lupon the Lupon Empire.
37:21
And so he’s been following this ever since.
And so now he’s following Lupon the third.
And I mean, it’s kind of a goofy thing.
I think that the way that the film treats Jigen as a whole is pretty goofy.
I don’t really prefer that style of how Jigen is.
37:38
I I actually kind of like the the more stoic Jigen that really doesn’t show much emotion most of the time and sort of, you know, is less spoken, but more, you know, seen.
I, I mean, I listen, I agree.
37:58
I do think one of the weakest parts of this film is Jigen and his relationship with Lupon because in not just the manga, but the anime and especially what becomes down the line, like the characters, he’s like this idea that he’s like, I was part of the loop on Empire and you know, your father like was great at making like, you know, an organization and I was the only one to survive.
38:25
Now I must follow you is like, no, that’s not what Jigen would do.
Just about any other iteration.
Like so like it’s just you know, to like Japanese in the fact like and so I’m I’m not about that.
38:45
I also think too the joke of him like constantly lifting his fucking brim up.
Like yes, that is a thing in like the anime and manga, like because he Jiggins hair overshadows his eyes and but 95% of the time so you don’t ever really see his eyes.
39:01
What, like every now and then he’ll use his like revolver, you know, Smith and Wesson poke it up, but he doesn’t do it like 24/7.
So the whole time when he’s like trying to look like, I get it as a joke, he’s like.
Right.
And nor does it little window open.
Yeah, yeah.
But they ride it into the fucking, you know, right, that, you know, joke into the ground.
39:20
But they did like that is the weakest part of the film.
Look, I get it because at the time the, and the Green Jacket series, they talk about the Lupon Empire and every now and then the manga, they’re like, Oh yeah, the Lupon Empire.
Because Lupon the Third, if you didn’t know, we didn’t mention it, is roughly, you know, he’s the grandson of our sin Lupon Maurice Leblanc’s, you know, thief character.
39:43
So, you know, used as like a parody.
But like, so like, like to me, that’s also something throughout the franchise I’ve never cared about.
Like the idea that Lupon the Third has like a like an empire, like no.
40:00
Like just like, you know, from the way he is, he wouldn’t like have an empire of like minions working for him.
Like, you know, so like that part also too, it just smells of like, you know, we got a cram.
Like Yaka’s a shit in there too.
But yeah.
40:16
But I mean, that is like you said though, that is like, for me at least, the worst part because they just kind of Jigen as a character in this is like just bastardize because he’s just, you know, too submissive.
He’s just like.
And I would say too that I I do prefer as well.
40:32
And I think is is much better of a storyline when Lupon is more working with only his small team, right?
Like, you know, because as a thief in in as the this, the plot lines of most of the shows have gone into is that thieves don’t really work together, right?
40:50
Like, it’s not, it’s not a good idea to be a thief trying to trust another thief because that’s ultimately sort of the plot line between Lupan and Fujiko.
Is that Fujiko?
Yeah, they like each other to the extent that they work together for a while, but there’s always double crossing because you can never truly trust another thief.
41:11
And so there’s that there’s that kind of dichotomy of of like, do can do, what can I trust this person right now?
And and I like that.
And so like to think that there’s like an organization of thieves who are working underneath Lupon is really quite silly when it comes down to it.
41:30
And I don’t I don’t really like it.
So.
And I think that it makes it much more interesting that Lupan is able to achieve what he he does and the notoriety that he has by just his own wits and maybe a couple other people helping him now.
41:45
And that’s the that’s the other thing about this movie too, is that this film does not really showcase Lupan’s notoriety or the way that he, you know, like him being like sort of a masterful thief.
I, I don’t think that you really see that in this movie at all.
He actually looks like a blundering thief who has no really real idea what’s going on with his thievery.
42:05
And I think in in certain sense that does come across in sort of the earlier manga and anime series for Lupan is that he was kind of a silly, blundering thief that actually ends up, you know, achieving things even even by accent.
I don’t I don’t know about that.
42:21
It translates that well here.
I think it’s fine because again, it’s the first time meeting.
So it’s like, you know, it’s not like the focus of him being like the being like the expert.
Because again, like one of the problems like in the later iterations of the like series as like they get to like, you know, all the different like specials and stuff.
42:38
It becomes a matter of like, I was playing by the end of the film, you’re 90 minutes and he’s like, I was playing 90° chess on you.
This is how.
And then they break down like all the instances like where this should have went wrong, but he secretly was like doing all this.
It’s like wow upon you’re so smart and like it’s just, you know, very like, you know, Yu-gi-oh like you 4.
43:03
So like, I like, you know, the more groundedness of it, like, you know, that he’s not, and also too like, he’s not like he’s interested in stealing things.
But it’s not like, it’s not like he’s there.
43:20
I’m like, like this is like it.
He’s got other things he’d like to do.
Because again, like being like Jegan says, it’s like you’re nothing like your father who’s had built this crime empire.
And he’s like, yeah, he’s like stealing shit’s fun, but there’s other things to do to live, you know?
And.
Yeah, I, I mean, I can, I guess, I guess I get that from the perspective of if you think about it truly as his being this being his first, you know, foray into this type of stealing and thievery, you know, and, and then the first true meeting between him and inspectors and a God, I guess, I guess it makes some sense.
43:56
I I think that this film delves far too much into the silliness and the slapstickness that I just don’t prefer this style of Lupon.
Did you?
Ever read the manga or no?
No, I actually have not.
44:12
I haven’t read any of it.
I don’t prefer like.
What I will say is I do like that there is some silliness abounding in what we now know as the, the the style of Lupon.
I don’t prefer when it’s all silliness.
44:31
I do want there to be a bit of seriousness here and there.
And I think that with strange psychokinetic strategy it it spends far too much time on the silliness and not enough on an actual through plot line.
44:49
And I think that what ends up happening is this movie starts it’s it’s only like, what, 82 minutes long?
It almost feels like an extension of what you would think of as the first part anime that has very standalone episodes of just, you know, heist sequences in each episode.
45:11
And this movie kind of feels like they took chunks of 20 minutes and sort of did the same thing where there’s 20 minutes of them stealing something, you know, and then 20 minutes of a new idea and then 20 minutes of a new idea.
And it makes for a very haphazard overall movie when I would argue that that is not a good way to adapt something like this into a movie.
45:37
I don’t think you can unless you’re going to unless you truly spend a lot of time setting that up as the premise.
If it, you know, if this movie was cut into parts and the parts were very organized and and the direction was obvious in those parts and you wanted it to be like a set of four different ideas of lupon the third’s heists, then sure, I think that would work a little bit better.
46:04
But what we end up getting is just like some, it’s like a scatterbrained squirrel ended up writing this movie of like jumping all over the place as to what is actually happening in the movie.
And the whole idea of this psychokinetic strategy is so poorly explained.
46:21
And, and, and even like it’s, it’s, it’s like, because not only like there is a, a plot line of like this, this statue that has like eyes that can do this strange psychokinetic ability.
But even Luke, even Luke Pan and like Zenigata are like my psychokinetic which is like they’re like version of telekinesis.
46:42
Yes, yes.
And it and it, it’s like mentioned earlier in the movie and it’s like, what kind of new age hippie dippie bullshit did the writer get into to like have this?
And it’s kind of presented in this way.
That’s just like in the 70s everybody was talking about this psychokinetic energy that you have like, well.
47:02
It’s funny too, because if you did like LSD in Japan’s 70s, even probably today, you’d probably be put to death because it’s like, you know, the emperor does not wish you to rot your brain with these chemicals.
I know.
It’s wild.
47:20
I’m going to disagree with you and I think the reason is because I I have read the manga not trying to be, you know, like, but like so from the standpoint of like when it’s came out and like what existed in the franchise, like, and you’re not using like the Miyazaki of vacation of Lupon and like how stories are told, told and such.
47:44
The slapstick and very Tom and Jerry cartoony aspects of this film make sense, I think, and I’ll give it props soon in a sense too, because again, doing something like how to make Tom-tom and Jerry live action like or Bugs Bunny and, you know, Roadrunner and wildly Coyote like live action.
48:09
Like that’s an idea that you can only get away from like 1968 to late 1979 in you know, in cinema.
So for me, like like a lot of the antics are like I do like find funny, the constant like jumping thing.
48:28
I I don’t but like the whole like Zeni got on like the police officers and the three stooges, you know of it all.
It like I do like, you know, I, I was having pretty good chuckles and just a lot of the jokes, you know, just funny.
48:48
Yeah.
And I guess I mean, I get it may depend too on your sense of humor.
I really did not find the jokes that funny.
I felt that they were either really stretched out or, you know, as you mentioned with the the whole Jigen thing, you know, overused.
49:07
I didn’t really find the slapstick that funny.
I found it to be more annoying than anything and in almost in a sense that like in it, and I totally understand what you’re saying in that, you know, that the idea was to mimic sort of money monkey punches sense of humor in the manga.
49:25
But at the same time, again, like we talked about at the beginning, I don’t know that that translates that well to a live action.
You know there I I, I think if there’s a time and place to do it, it would be here because again, like, I think if you were to do it now, we would come off as yeah, completely ridiculous.
49:41
Yeah.
I think the fact is also helped out too, because I think if you were to anglify this film, but it like, you know, it would be like like what the fuck’s going on?
You know it wouldn’t, you know.
Yeah, I I get it.
I get the idea.
I don’t, I don’t know that I I appreciate that it that they did it in this sort of live action setting.
50:02
I I I I just don’t.
And and two, I just it’s entirely possible that I might not appreciate the manga either from that standpoint of of, you know, sort of infusion much comedy into.
50:18
Well, you’re, you’re right, because I mean, like the manga is like considered darker, but that’s just because it’s, you know, they’re not afraid to like kill.
There’s like, you know, sexual violence and stuff.
But a lot of the humor is slapstick and varied because again, or the way monkey punch draws like things on his, you know, storyboard is what makes it, you know, funny and stuff you’re right, it doesn’t like doesn’t translate perfectly.
50:45
No, like again, because it’s the idea of taking that kind of slapstick and like expressions and stuff is it is hard to translate.
So I can get how you’re either going to find it funny or you’re going to like, there’s not going to be a middle ground on this.
51:03
You’re either going to think it’s funny or you’re going to think this.
Is stupid.
Yeah, yeah.
And I, I I do have a problem, just like with the whole idea of of it being so obnoxiously goofy all the time that it really doesn’t settle on any sort of overarching plot.
51:21
There is some sort of element of that where it’s they introduce this like macaroni gang.
Which is the which is the best thing?
It’s like spelled.
Yeah.
It’s spelled like Maca, like, you know, like MACHER, but they pronounce it like Mac macaroni.
51:36
And also, too, how could you not fucking laugh at the fact that they’re doing, you know, fucking Donald Pleasance, you know, Blofeld petting a cat, you know, Doctor Call, you know, petting the cat, you know, get smart stuff in Mission Impossible.
51:57
And they’re sitting there listening to him talk, like, oh, yes, yes, yes.
And then when they’re like, this tape will explode.
They all fucking run out.
Like, oh, God, they’re waiting and waiting, like, oh, it’s the volcano nearby.
Yeah.
It’s like.
There are there are moments.
52:13
I think that’s probably one of the better actual satirical moments of it.
A parodying in actual like spy thief movie, but at the for the most part, like I said, I didn’t really find it that funny or entertaining.
52:29
I I found it to be mostly annoying.
I was fairly bored throughout.
I, I’ve got to say it definitely lost my interest, especially considering that like, it does feel like a set of just gags thrown together instead of any real attempt at a story.
52:51
And so I just, yeah, it just didn’t do it for me.
I just I I really could.
Not how were you?
How were you not in fucking stitches?
When we meet Zeny God and he’s been told by his commander to go find little.
I’m going to arrest him and he’s like, no, I didn’t say that.
53:07
Go find him to go and arrest him.
He’s like, you fucking idiot, do whatever.
And then he gets to his subordinate.
He’s like, all right, go stop fucking eating.
And they’re like throw the ramen down and run down.
He’s like lazy ass whole thing sitting there eating his own shit.
Like fucking hilarious.
53:22
I don’t know how you were.
I don’t know.
No, I definitely, I can definitely say I was not.
I don’t know.
I just no I.
I think you, you just become your father.
No, no, I, I don’t I, I legitimately do not think that this movie is very funny.
53:39
And so to be honest with you, like I find this movie hard to recommend in a, in a a bunch of ways, right.
So the first and most, the most, I guess the one that would stand out the most is that I find this movie hard to recommend in that it’s just overall not a great, well made movie.
54:03
It’s a poor it’s a poorly made movie, objectively in terms of how it’s just not even that interesting to watch.
I think I think you had the problem that I have with this film and that’s the Fujiko for the joke being her name Fuji Komine meaning like big tits but also like Mount Fuji that her she was very underperformed and that.
54:28
Not even that, yeah, but at the same time, so.
So first of all, it’s just not objectively not a good movie.
Second of all, it’s hard to recommend to someone who would like LUPON now, right?
So I don’t know that I would would think that anybody that currently watches Lupana knows the current iteration of it would really be interested in this movie.
54:52
It’s it’s so far removed from it.
And I think too, what, as you’ve discussed there, the the current iterations of the anime are so far removed from Monkey Punch’s own that it really just retains some of the character elements of of you know what he set out.
55:10
But and.
And you know, I would I I mean, I agree with that sentiment.
Like I would never like it’s like with like a Gundam I love, you know, I love more and you like Gundams too.
But like I love mobile suit Gundam.
I love the you know, Tommy knows original series.
55:25
Like I love Zayda is my favorite.
I love the original setter.
But if I were to like talk to somebody now about like what’s a Gundam to watch?
I wouldn’t be like got to start the beginning, watch Double O 79 because it’s like that’s not going to translate well at all for a lot of people because again, they’re going to have problems with the animation and the whole stuff.
55:48
But I think you can appreciate it like, you know, when you’re more invested into this series to enjoy.
And I feel the same thing about this too, because again, for me, when it comes to the franchise, my favorite film isn’t like a lot of like, fans.
56:04
It’s not Castle Cavaliosra.
I like it, but I also at the same time think it’s a good film.
But it’s not a good lupon film because it’s such a guy.
Miyazaki’s interpretation of the material turns it into something more, you know, Prince and Princess Bride.
56:24
And it’s kind of, you know, camped out on the freewheel and you know, you know, sex, sexual revolution of like the series as you know, as a whole to start with and the comedy.
56:42
And I would say the same thing with like this and the first Lupon and the manga, like once you like experience, like, OK, come in and see what you know and then do what you will with it and see if you’ll, you know, enjoy and appreciate where this material came from.
56:59
Because again, if it’s going to be out there, like if you started liking Lupon A decade ago when the Italian series came out, you’re going to have a heart to like which again, it’s great series.
But again, like the connection and distance now is, you know, almost 60 years.
57:18
So it’s, you know, you got a lot of groundwork to make up, right.
And so I guess too, what we didn’t talk about, but what do you what do you think about the manner of dress of Lupon He you know, we talked about how each of the series is known for his jackets, right?
57:33
Green jacket, red jacket, pink jacket.
This one, he’s not wearing a jacket.
He’s wearing a white jacket.
He’s.
Wearing a white jacket and you know, it’s it’s too clean, too virginal, you know, got to have like some I think nice flashy colours would go good with it.
57:54
Fujiko doesn’t really wear anything either until like the very end where she’s got either you know, the red dress or you know the red like not Japanese Chinese like dress and the cat suit at the end, but you know it’s.
I at night, I just, I saw somebody put this in into like a review and I think it’s really true.
58:17
It’s like they tried to turn Lupon into like Fred from scooby-doo wearing the sock and stuff.
Like, I don’t quite understand what they were going for with the whole lupon design.
I think I to me he does not look like Lupon at all.
58:33
I think he does a good I think Yuki Maguro does a good job as Lupon though.
The look, I would say you’re right.
What I mean.
It’s the same with all of them though, too, because like the fact that Zenni got it when he’s got his hat on, it’s this little tiny fucking bucket hat.
58:49
Like not like serious, like, you know, detective noir hat.
Like it looks silly and stupid.
But I mean, it’s the same thing with like Jegan’s hat.
Like, you know, it’s just like this.
I I’m agreeing with you on that point.
59:04
And I just, you know.
And how about the music?
Love it.
How can you not love the whole like I western western like it’s the entertainer but slightly changed for copyright reason.
59:20
It’s practically just.
The soundtrack the the accompanying score that that is basically whenever Lupon shows up on screen sounds to me like something out of fucking Sesame Street.
59:37
I I think I was thinking more like earthbound.
You’re rolling into like a western town like.
It’s goofy as hell.
It I I hated hated the school.
It’s it’s too minimalistic, I think for me to hate it because even though like, it’s like me like, you know, again too, Yugiono had wasn’t like, you know, attached to the series at this point and like, you know, pump it out banger after fucking banger for this theme.
1:00:08
So, you know, because before that we had made the green jacket you got, which it’s not bad.
It’s enjoyable and fun, but at the same time, like green jackets, like Lupon.
He’s a nice man.
Yeah, yeah, a nice guy.
1:00:25
Machine Gun, Walter.
I will say, you know, after watching both of these, you know, basically back-to-back the, the live action 2014 and, and this one, I will say that this one at least does not lambaste you with just constant jazz score and jazz and jazz rock score because the 2014 one is almost like will not let you stop listening.
1:00:51
Did you Giono do the work for it and?
I don’t I don’t think so, but it does just have, you know, the IT has a jazzy ass, you know, sort of matching score of what you would think of from the anime.
And then also a more more like during action sequences, a much more Hard Rock, you know, soundtrack during the fights.
1:01:12
And that one got obnoxious because it will it literally was just omnipresent.
Like you just couldn’t get away from a score in that one could not let you just sit there and listen to the regular dialogue without there being something to initiate you having a feeling from music.
1:01:31
And this one, you know, at least there is like prompts and there’s the score that kind of corresponds with loop on being on screen and sort of the more you know it, at least there’s that.
But at the same time, I found I, I fucking hated the the score that was there.
1:01:47
So, so there’s that.
All right, what else?
What else didn’t I putting up?
How could you not be laughing your ass off at the lighthouse scene when the guy fucking hops out the lighthouse with an umbrella and he falls to his death then and we fucking laughing.
1:02:07
So OK.
So hard like.
This one is this is kind of the equivalent to me of like, you know, the the 2000s era of oh so random.
It’s just random, random stuff happening and I don’t know, I just don’t really find it that funny.
1:02:26
So I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t, I guess I just don’t have that sense of humor, but I just I just don’t get it.
All right.
So Are you ready to rate it then?
Is that is that my understanding of where you where you sit and align with this?
1:02:45
I guess if you don’t want everything, if you don’t want to like go further.
And I think you just like what you didn’t like the nuns sitting there like singing their like J pop ballad.
Like, you know, if a man wants to love, you have to love.
1:03:06
I did it.
I could.
Honestly, say again, what about OK, So what about like all the fucking like people take getting panties jokes and boxer jokes.
You know that was funny.
Didn’t think that was funny.
Everyone fucking like pantsing everybody basically.
1:03:26
What about the what about the sex?
Yes.
So the sexism is somewhat good in that this, you know, kind of making jokes at like, Japanese censorship too, where he’s like, Oh, no.
Which it’s also, I say that’s also a thing in the manga too, is like when sex happens, like they’ll use a, you know, male, you know, symbol and a female symbol, you know, so.
1:03:47
I did.
I did on.
The left shield.
When the one woman was knocked out and Lupon was just like, well, I might as well.
And you know, sort of like the sort of like, hey, your, your protagonist might rape somebody joke, you know, they’re unconscious, but he’s going for it.
1:04:03
So yes, I, I.
Was good at humor back then.
How dare you guys just I do the lecturers.
Like you said though, I do know that I think that does match with the Monkey Punch’s sense of humor in the manga, that there was a much more sexualized version of Lupon that we don’t generally get anymore.
1:04:23
You know, actually Lupon besides Fujiko is is pretty unsexed in the more recent iterations of the of the animes that they they don’t they really refrain from him being interested in anything else besides his thievery and and.
1:04:40
Texting whatever, you know, damsel in distress because like, because in the anime it’s always like, you know, like, oh will they won’t they like, you know, like, you know, it’s always a tease in the anime.
I mean, not in the anime.
And the manga Lupon sometimes scores because he’s swabbing Devonier and you got to have the payoff.
1:05:01
So sure, yes, I guess we can go and give it a rating.
All right, so the one thing that really that actually did make me laugh though, is and that was I think probably more of an accent is when the guy is sitting outside from the macaroni gang and he’s watching when Lupon’s having sex with a woman.
1:05:25
And he actually he gets like blown up because the bullet gets shot back at him and he blows up.
And you can see in that moment that he’s actually blown up and his hair is all back before the actual explosion occurs.
Thought that was unintentionally funny, obviously, but it was a it was a mistake, but.
1:05:43
It’s not a mistake, it’s funny.
That was that was the funny moment for me.
So yes, so and also too, you know, I do like the fact that Zenigata keeps continually getting more and more injured throughout, which is going to be my race.
1:06:00
You know that’s a good long, you know you.
Know writing a joke?
He’s basically by the end the guy in fucking SpongeBob.
Like every day I wake.
Yeah, which is great.
So on a scale of zero to 10 Zenigata injuries in this movie, what would you give loop on the third?
1:06:17
Strange.
Psychokinetic.
Strategy.
I give it a 6 1/2.
I like it.
I think it’s fun.
I do appreciate the slapstick.
I do think the comedy is real funny.
I do think like it’s, I think it’s enjoyable.
1:06:33
I think your enjoyment on it though is going to be on like how deep into the franchise you are.
As you said, if you’re not somebody who’s you know, knows about like the first series and the Bonga at the time, then like it’s not going to probably hit as well.
1:06:53
But I I I like I this is like I enjoy it.
It’s stupid.
Is it like, as you said, is a well made film?
No, not really, But is it stupid?
Yes, but I think it’s guy.
It has like with the comedy, like a constant barrage.
1:07:11
Like yes, like some of the jokes aren’t landing, but enough are landing to where it’s like funny.
And I think to be honest with you, I think you know Yuki Magaro as you know Lupon he I think he does a good job.
1:07:27
You suave and Devon air and he does have good comedian timing.
And I think also Shiro Ito as Zenigata also is what carries the film too, because Fujiko by Azo, she’s OK.
And the same thing with, you know, Jigen by Kune Tanaka, like they’re just OK.
1:07:44
They’re there, but like the jokes that come between like, you know, Zeni gotta and Lupon It’s it’s as close as like to like a live action Tom and Jerry that you’re going to get, and I think it’s a rambling mess.
1:07:59
But again, like that’s kind of the point.
It’s not supposed to be this coherent, you know, detailed story of like how every things happened.
It’s the strange psychokinetic strategy of the film is that it’s just didn’t mushroom shrimp.
1:08:17
I, I think it’s fun enough again now I would not like you said, I wouldn’t recommend to anybody unless you’re a fan of the franchise and looking to dive into its deeper roots, but I personally enjoyed it so.
Well, this is going to be one of those rare instances I really disagree because I’m giving it, I’m going to give it a three out of 10.
1:08:38
I really.
You hated it.
That’s.
Like this movie, this is it’s not 100% not the worst movie that I’ve ever seen, but I really did not enjoy almost any moment of this movie.
This is Jamaico yes I, I this was not something that I enjoyed.
1:08:58
I would when I would never return to it.
I would not recommend it to anyone.
I, I, I got it like a little bit disagree with you in that I’ve seen some other people who have commented on this movie that they are fans of the original manga and the anime and did not find this to be that close to the original either.
1:09:18
And I would agree with that from everything that I’ve seen, that I just don’t really see much of the DNA of Lupon the Third in this movie besides the slapstick humor and sort of the antics.
I I disagree in that I don’t really think that this matches what we expect to see from a Lupon movie.
1:09:34
I think that it it, like I said it, it feels like somebody had seen Lupan and seen the anime and maybe read a couple chapters of the manga, but didn’t really grasp the full extent or what what makes that franchise so interesting and so created this very scattered.
1:09:57
The iteration of a Lupon movie that was sort of a comment on spy movies and thief movies and parodies, but also at the same time was just so randomly scattered with slapstick humor that it really doesn’t find any sort of tone or plot line or anything.
1:10:16
And I just don’t really find the appeal in that to me, I didn’t really find it funny, honestly.
I mean, there may be a couple of of of good gags, but other than that, I don’t really find it that funny.
I didn’t really see much appeal in the characters because it doesn’t really spend that much time.
1:10:35
Like, again, for all the attempts to actually talk about Jigen and how he follows the the Lupon Empire, Jean is actually really just kind of ostracized for most of the plot line.
And so I don’t know, it just to me, I didn’t really enjoy much of it at all.
1:10:57
So I’m giving it a three.
I certainly would never revisit this movie because I think objectively it is a bad, poorly made movie.
And then on top of that, I don’t really think that it’s a good loop on the third movie.
1:11:16
Wow, that’ll be our yeah, that’ll be my make out for for our podcast.
You just don’t know how to have fun anymore.
That’s not true.
I mean, I will say that maybe I was a little salty about having to watch another Lupan Third live active movie after I was 2014.
1:11:32
But I think, I think that’s that’s the impetus.
Here, I don’t think so.
I I legitimately did not find much to like about this movie.
I will be honest with you, I did watch it, you know, just the next day with a fresh face and I I just did not find much to like about it and I do.
1:11:52
I do see that though.
I see that in sort of like the online discussion about this movie is that I it’s very, very like you either like this movie or you very much do not.
Like this there’s.
Really.
No, Like middle.
1:12:08
Ground there like I said I I agree with that notion you’re either going to be able to pick I like this or you’re not going to and I think look this happens every now and then like sometimes like and again like I as much as I like the manga and like it’s not perfect like I wouldn’t say that’s the perfect you know monkey punches original vision of the story and characters is perfect No, it’s not but and I I you know I just I appreciate what it does I appreciate that it’s like a Scooby you know live action Scooby-doo yeah we got to do next week we’re doing.
1:12:46
I, I agree.
I I think that’s pretty similar.
I think it’s it’s a similar.
You know, it’s, it’s a Hannah Barbera.
You know what?
I’m going to take a point off this.
So I’m going to change it to A5 now because Lupon’s got a golden gun.
It’s not a Walther P38.
1:13:05
True if.
You watch the original Green Jacket series and also in the manga, but in the Green Jay series, they even have a song dedicated to P38 Walther machine Cry the Walther.
Yeah, I think it’s, it’s just like a little interesting bit of like, you know, of our of like, like film is.
1:13:30
Really interesting part of film history, I.
Was it’s like, you know, like, yeah, this exists.
I actually didn’t even really look into it, but I don’t know what else this director has done, actually Takashi Subashima.
Then don’t bother.
He’s done a few number of other things from the 70s, but.
1:13:50
We’ll be back with more tonkatsu later.
There you go.
We’ll be doing Pleasure of the Golden Mammal next all.
Right.
Well, I think for next time we’re going to take a break, but then what I want to do for the next episode is going to be Alien first one.
1:14:10
The first one, because we’ve got April 26 coming up, which is corresponding to the LV 426, which is the moon of the alien.
So the 426 is kind of always celebrated as Alien Day.
1:14:27
So I think that would make sense.
So I think we’ll do the the first Alien because we’ve done Aliens, but we never did alien.
So that’ll be.
Our but we thought we have talked about though.
Oh yeah, yeah, we’ve talked about, but we’ve just never done it because the franchise.
1:14:44
Just like with a Terminator, everyone loves T2.
That’s right.
Yeah, same thing with aliens and alien aliens.
Better.
Are you saying alien or aliens is better?
Aliens better.
Yeah, interesting.
1:15:01
Well, I the horror, the horror the.
Horror element is is better than the action.
Aspect, like what’s like, what’s the fun in it?
Well, I mean, I get the fun, but like, is it just the jingoistic?
Like, come on.
Like, you know.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, more elements of of the original as we as we do it.
1:15:21
So one movie where Ridley Scott was cooking before.
Yes, yeah.
All right.
So that’s that’s on the agenda for next time.
So thanks for listening to our episode on loop on the third strange psychokinetic strategy.
Hope you enjoyed and hope you don’t ever watch it for yourself.
1:15:38
You know who’s a big fan of the film?
Who?
John Carpenter.
Yeah, strange.
Psychokinetic.
Strategy.
I’ve never seen any this goddamn for each other what you don’t want.
If I could put my name on to the top there.
1:15:55
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