The Ref is something of a Christmas outlier; its title does not suggest a holiday-themed topic, the poster artwork fails to spread any holiday cheer, and overall it’s a strange culmination of ideas. However, it was also a Martin holiday tradition,so it made sense to finally tackle this Denis Leary-starring vehicle for our final film in 2025’s Festivus Series.
We’re also drinking Modelo’s Noche Especial lager for this festive occasion!
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0:01
Raindrops on, roses and whiskers on.
Kit, welcome back to the fest of the series, ladies and gentlemen at the Blood of Black Rambad cast.
This year we’re celebrating the season with new and old.
We might be bringing you some romance, couple of Santa Claus killers and a whole lot.
0:22
More.
Stay tuned all Christmas season as we dive deeper into the holiday hits.
These are a.
Few of my favorite things.
Hey guys, welcome back to the Blowing Black Rum Podcast.
0:37
I’m Ryan from closeplotation.com and I’m joined with my Co host Martin.
And for the first time ever, ever, ever in the history of the show, we are recording on the High Holiday proper.
It’s a best of us for the rest of us.
0:53
We don’t normally record on holidays, but making an exception for Festivus today, it’s amazing.
Yes, and I did watch the Seinfeld episode as well for the occasion, which I normally try to do.
And I will also note I watched the 4K version of it because they, you know, they recently.
1:12
So you found you found the tinsel to be very distracting, right?
Yeah, but I was, I will say that the because I, I don’t have the 4K release because that was like fucking $500.00 for the whole series or something crazy like when it came out.
But I did watch it in 4K and it does look raked in 4K, you know, still within the 43 aspect ratio.
1:33
It’s great.
So awesome.
Looks great.
One filmic, let’s say.
One problem we’ve always had with Seinfeld?
Everyone’s treating Joey Louis Dreyfus like she’s some cretinous looking person.
1:50
She was in a Spitz for six hours, so.
I know she’s.
I’m not here for that.
Love it.
But we’re not here for Festivus, are we?
We’re still celebrating some some holiday enjoyment.
Christmas.
Christmas time.
That’s right.
2:07
And yeah, so like we had mentioned before for this Festivus series, we didn’t really plan it out.
We didn’t really say, OK, here’s what we’re going to do for the next 4 episodes.
We kind of played it by ear and let the spirit of the holidays take us where it would.
2:23
And so.
We’re finally doing ELF.
We’re actually, no, we’re not.
Yeah.
Now we, we, we’re not doing a Christmas Story either, which is another one of those classics that we just have not done.
No, instead, we, we, we were kind of coming up with a list of things that would stood out to us for films that either like, you know, might be interesting or ones that we just haven’t done before that might fit in well with the pod.
2:52
You know, the scope of the podcast previously.
And I kind of just offered up one that was sort of like an oddball because I just, I’ve never seen it before, but I knew it.
It is a Christmas movie and it might be something interesting to do and you know you you were very taken with it right away.
3:11
Well, it’s if you listen to the podcast you’ll know.
Usually every Festivus.
I’ve mentioned this movie at least once.
Yeah, I mean, again, like I said, I’ve never, I’ve never seen it before.
So like like.
The terrible, shitty uncle.
3:30
No, no, I was going to say Uncle Buck.
Jesus, Sorry John can’t help me that Ed O’neills bastard child.
Dutch as your Thanksgiving tradition, This movie that is not on your radar.
3:46
There’s a Martin household Christmas tradition.
Is it really?
That’s really interesting and there’s a few reasons why that’s really interesting We’ll.
Talk about and by that and by that I mean just me, not my we we didn’t do family film watching in the Martin household that’s.
4:02
So it’s just your own traditional movie Christmas movie to watch.
Well, because it was on Comedy Central ad nauseam.
And and The funny thing too is that the dysfunctional family element, I mean, probably fit right in.
You know, your holiday watching, you probably looked over and saw the same thing happening in reality in front of you.
4:23
So.
I wish we would have a Nordic Christmas platter for the holidays.
Which actually, that’s funny because that’s one of the best episodes of King of the Hill, where Reverend Stroop becomes the new minister of the Methodist Church, and she’s from Minnesota.
4:46
And they’re having her little coke out and she brings lutefisk and Bobby eats all of that.
And before anyone can have any, and then he has to run into the bathroom and have shit, take a shit.
And it’s so nasty and bad.
5:02
Cotton’s in there, too.
He’s like, PU, what the hell is it going on in there?
And then Bobby lights a mass trying to, you know, kill the smell.
And he accidentally burns down the whole church.
And Cotton ends up taking the blame for it.
And then until until the end, where, you know, Bobby admits that he did it, but Cotton was willing to take the blame because he’s an old man.
5:25
He’s got no shins.
And it probably, you know, he’ll probably make it smell, you know, But Bobby was the whole episode was about guilt and all that because it was great too, because we’re having like the Lugovisk.
What did that happen to my precious Lugovisk?
5:42
Never had lutefisk before.
I can’t say I have.
I don’t think I would be a very big fan.
I don’t like fish in the 1st place.
So this very specific style of like, what is it like?
Is it like pickled or something like that?
I don’t even.
Know, I don’t think it’s, I don’t even think it’s, I think I think it’s like gelatin.
6:00
Maybe, yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
It’s yeah.
Oh, it’s it’s been soaked in Lye.
That’s what it is.
Yeah.
So it gets like a gelatinous, gelatinous fish at the sense.
Absolutely horrible.
But crack, crack open a nice can of sardines, you know, I love, I love that they’re still packed in like, you know, 1840s aluminum.
6:25
So I’m not saying I eat them, but it’s just funny.
It’s like, yeah, Dad’s how they still come.
If they’re good enough for the British Navy, they’re good enough for you.
So the movie that we’re doing today is the Ref from 19941994.
6:43
What a time to be alive. 31 years old now.
Really puts it in perspective.
Does I remember this movie?
So I I definitely do remember my dad having this movie at the movie The movie store.
I remember the box art for sure.
7:02
Look at it how like the the poster makes us look like what a romp it’s going to be.
Dennis Leary, Judy Davis, This heaven, this face.
Ian.
Yes.
This box art has a very traditional 90s affair white background.
7:19
You know, like the white complete white background.
The very in the.
Forefront and then Yeah.
The the the side characters and behind them with a very non like overly dramatic typeface, you know, yes.
7:36
I do feel bad too because this movie, you know if you look quickly at the poster, doesn’t really look like an R rated movie.
No, you want the whimsical PT romp.
Yeah, that’s that’s why I said what happened.
It looks like I could take the kids to this.
Yeah, that’s.
7:52
It this looks like is is.
You know what the hell?
I’m drawing a blank on his name from Beethoven James.
I don’t know.
But like it looks like it could be like the Beethoven poster.
Yeah, it does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
8:07
It’s a very similar style and everything to those 90s.
Like wacky.
This is a wacky kids movie of you know.
Charles Gordon, My bad.
Yeah.
Dennis But that’s what he, that’s what he basically looks like like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:23
And I will say too, I never really pictured this movie as a Christmas movie because for one, the title does not say Christmas movie and then again the poster has zero absolute atmosphere of Christmas in it so.
8:41
I got I got bad news for you too, you know, I know when they went to theaters.
When?
March of 94 so.
The perfect time to throw.
Your release?
Release a Christmas movie?
Good.
Really odd.
8:57
Good job, Disney.
Yeah, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t quite understand it, but like, yeah, it’s, it’s very much a weird release entirely.
Like the the whole idea of it is, you know, calling it the ref weird, you know, setting it at Christmas time for some reason, not necessarily like really doesn’t doesn’t necessarily need to be Christmas.
9:20
But then not only that, but did you said it?
You said it at Christmas, then you didn’t market to it like, well, like I told you like.
Like right before I was going in because like, I even though I have seen this movie a million times, it’s probably my first time seeing it in almost 15 years.
9:36
I mean, like I said, it’s like homo dis what Disney was like, you know, Jerry Brckheimer was like, what if we took home alone but made for adults and we’ll and we’ll put this guy all the kids like with his comedy going like, Hey, you know, I got he says the words and stuff like he’s fucking cock sucker.
10:05
Hey, you know this is going to be great.
Yeah, a, a crass and humorous.
Yeah.
That.
Yeah.
It’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a, you know, it’s, it’s a weird idea.
And I don’t know.
10:22
I just.
Yeah.
And that’s the other thing too that I think is funny.
As I’m watching, I’m on the IMDb page and the trailer’s kind of playing in the background.
And obviously, again, it says the trailer says the ultimate Christmas movie coming this spring.
Why?
Why is it coming this spring then, if it’s the ultimate Christmas movie?
10:41
Touchstone was too busy wrapping up Free Willy and Dennis the Menace, Yeah.
I think the idea behind this movie is intriguing because, like I said, this is this kind of has the same debate as like his diary Christmas movie like it’s set around Christmas.
11:03
Does it need to be?
Probably not, you know, like the movie does not really take advantage of most things.
I mean, there, yes, there’s a family coming for Christmas Eve dinner, this movie.
Movies fold on.
How dare you.
This movie is so much more Christmas than Die Hard ever wishes it was.
11:21
Well, it’s not even.
It’s not tangent.
It’s not like with Die Hard where they’re being like tangential here.
It’s literally.
I think.
Their hope for the holidays.
Like what do you want it to be a Memorial Day BBQ?
He shows up in ruins like Dennis Leary.
11:38
He’s an asshole.
Not only is he kidnapping Kevin Spacey and Judy Davis, but he’s also pissing on a Confederates grave.
I think that it’s the ref, the whole idea of it being on Christmas is like, you know, superficial for the movie.
So it’s not, it’s, it’s like Die Hard, right?
11:56
Because people often say they use that as an excuse of why Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.
Is that, you know, the decorations in the background and everything don’t really matter to the overall crux of the plot of Die Hard, because you could have not have all of that.
And it was.
I want you to say, I want you to call up Christine Barinski, look her dead in the eyes and say, hey, you know, one of your finest roles and the ref where you said Christmas is about, you know, Jesus.
12:26
And other than people getting punished or whatever, that’s what it’s about.
You look her dead in the eyes and say, you know what?
Shouldn’t even bother.
I don’t think that’s much of A Christmas was your How the Grinch Stole Christmas roll was much more Christmassy.
Now dare you?
Martha May All right, so let’s take a break real quick and talk about the beer that we have on the show, because we also have a nice festive beer for this show.
12:56
It this one reminds me of a very like it’s almost like you could have it for Christmas.
You could have it for New Year’s.
You could have, you know, it’s like a special occasion type of holiday.
Beer doesn’t necessarily need to be Christmassy, you know, as we’re recording this right before Christmas.
13:12
Obviously we’re having it in the Christmas tradition, but could have it for Nick of yours too and celebrate it that way.
Every time you pop one open, you hear that’s right.
That’s right.
No, you hear Feliz Navidad, Feliz Navidad because we’re having a Spanish Christmas, a Mexican Christmas with this beer.
13:36
You know, I was singing that the other day to our buddy Matt and I was like Feliz Navida, Feliz navida ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.
And then he was like, Oh my God, it’s but I got.
Upset with your ridden?
13:52
Well, no, no, no, he actually said the words.
I was just.
Too.
I see.
I see.
I was just dude.
Yes, good couplian.
You’re saying Feliz?
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah.
Should know space.
Well, I took five years of I know.
I just I just don’t remember the I just don’t remember the lyrics because you know what?
14:08
When it gets to the chorus, it gets to the, you know, American part.
I want to leave.
Well, I’ll let you introduce the beer because you were the one that got it.
You’ve been on the lookout for it, too.
So you’ve been, you’ve been like a little watchdog out there because it is around.
Yeah.
I’ve been eyeing this beer since since we started doing Festivus because that’s when it was released and I started seeing things on the old Facebook ads forum.
14:36
Haven’t found it until this week.
It’s Modellos Noche.
Use your Spanish.
Your five years of Spanish here.
Hold on, hold on.
The reason why I’m having a hard time reading it is because the gold font does not pair well with that red background at all.
14:55
I can make out the especiale but the No so noche so night special.
Yeah, noche especiale.
Like it’s really hard to read though because the gold and the red don’t really work together for font, it’s true.
They, it is, it is tough to read.
15:12
And that’s why I also say like, you know, I, I think this is meant for being like, because of the gold too.
It’s kind of like a New Year’s style thing too.
You can have it for both.
Sort of reminds me of.
But I wanted to get it because one, I, I, I like Modelo.
15:29
It’s one of my go to regular beers.
Like it’s up there with, you know, Miller High life, you know, as a as a nice enjoyable fridge beer.
And so I was thinking, why not let’s try it sucker for, you know, the one off gimmicks.
15:50
Let’s see what it’s about.
Is it a real beer or does is it just a poor man’s Modella Negra?
Which to be honest with you, I couldn’t even really judge at this point because it’s been about 10 years since I’ve had one of those because they’re not that great.
And this beer that’s not bad.
16:09
I don’t really get the holiday notes of it.
It’s just a much maltier Modelo.
So you get a little bit, you know, it’s brighter, little bit of caramel.
There’s no like holiday like spices or anything to it.
16:27
I wouldn’t like it.
The someone on Reddit said like, oh, tried fruits.
Don’t find any of that anywhere.
It just basically tastes like a Modelo with slightly bigger bread notes and a lot more adjunct.
It’s not bad 1299 though for a six pack these things, yeah, it’s going to be for like the die hard Modello fan.
16:53
Otherwise, just go with the regular because I don’t think this stands out at all for like what it’s supposed to be for like a holiday beer.
Like you were looking up and saying like it’s supposed to be like a like a Bach.
There’s nothing like Bach about it all.
17:11
Nothing that makes you think like this is different.
So.
Yeah, I would say a similar things.
You know, I like the Modelo Negra.
I think it’s a pretty good beer and I feel like that this is very similar to that Modelo Negra.
17:29
I don’t really get a necessarily a different type of taste to it than that other one, which is, you know, somewhat more caramel malt style, not a huge amount of caramel by any means.
This one’s kind of marketed to be sort of like that multi caramel, caramel almost even, you know, like the holiday style, like coffee notes.
17:49
And I don’t really get that too much.
I get it tastes pretty similar to regular lager style that Medela would make, maybe a little bit of a heavier malt body to it.
Overall though, it doesn’t really do all that much for me.
I think it’s a pretty good drinkable lager, but in terms of it being a something especial for the holidays, I don’t really, I’m not really getting that, you know, and again, I probably, it would probably be good for me to take a negra and drink it back-to-back with a speciality, really get the, you know, the differences between them.
18:22
But from my memory, this is really not all that different from what I remember a negra being like.
So I think it’s fine.
Like you said, I don’t know that it’s really something that I would probably seek out again for the holidays.
It doesn’t really doesn’t really scream holidays to me.
18:40
I think there are better winter and you know, Christmassy type beers out there that you would want to go for instead because they they have more of that holiday spice to them or, you know, peppermint or something like that that’s really sets them apart from a normal style of lager.
18:56
So I think this is fine, but it’s not really anything that impressive for me.
And I’m sorry that you waited all this time to find it and ended up being a little bit disappointed.
You know what?
It’s OK though, because it happens, no?
19:15
There’s.
And we, we were waiting, let us say two years ago, we were waiting for bated breath for that genocene BlackBerry.
That’s right, yeah.
You know, cream, but it you know, sometimes it’s listen, I I was I appreciate whether it’s successful or not the you know, especially bigger breweries trying something different and new, even though this is probably have been available for a lot longer than I know.
19:46
But but I appreciate it though at least because like, hey, at least they’re trying something into, you know.
Explore.
Yeah, yeah.
So for.
Sure, like every time, like every time Yingling pumps out a shitty like, oh, they’re Oktoberfest.
20:02
But it’s like, hey, at least you should, you know, kind of try, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I’m, I’m happy with that.
But you know, but again, I, I don’t know if that would go out of my way to, to get it again.
No.
All right, let’s talk Comedy Central’s favorite Christmas movie of all time, The Ref.
20:21
Let me tell you something about the ref.
I got to tell you something about the ref.
Look, you, you want to hear something about the ref?
I’ll tell you something about the ref.
Yeah.
I’m densely, you know, I got a little, a bit.
And it’s one bit.
And it’s really funny.
It’s a bit where I talk really fast and really, you know, a lot of things I say aggressively.
Yeah.
I like lose black.
You go, You know, lose black.
20:38
Yeah.
And I talk about things that you would find controversial.
Controversial.
Like smoking cigarettes.
Yeah, that’s what I do.
I smoke cigarettes all the time.
I like cocaine.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is what I do.
Yeah.
This is my bet.
And I keep riding it.
Riding it, I’m trying to get into the fucking car until I make money.
20:56
I’ve got shows out of it, I’ve got specials out of it.
I’ve got a movie and my MTV and this peak Gen.
X humor.
It’s true, really.
Listen, I’m not going to lie, when I was in high school, like junior high, I thought that’s hilarious.
21:13
Hilarious.
I’ve always been, I know you haven’t, but like, and I was always a big Comedy Central watcher back in the day from like all throughout junior high and high school.
I loved watching the Friday night stand ups.
21:29
I loved watching like all the different comedians beyond there.
Sometimes they would have specials.
I loved like drawing a blank on it, but it was like prime time with shit.
No, that’s the actual TV show.
21:48
Oh, it was like prime time comics.
I can’t remember like what the name exactly was, but it was a David Alan Grier hosted it and it would be like 3 different comics too.
And like there’s like, you know, like 1010 minute bit.
And I really love the stand up aspect.
22:04
I really loved all of that.
So I was really at the time also really into Denis Hilary too.
I thought he was fucking hilarious.
Like this is fucking hilarious.
I don’t like as a 13 year old in the 7th grade, do I really know what he’s talking about with bit wail eyes and and baby seals and John Cassavetes and no, but I was like, I’m fucking funny.
22:27
He’s just ran about.
But watching it now, especially even a couple years ago when we like, it’s actually been probably like 10 years now when we did Demolition Man and he’s basically doing his bit.
And I was like, it’s Just Dance clear.
22:43
You’re doing fucking bit.
You’re going to either fight the funny or not.
The mileage is very.
I will say it’s it hasn’t like it’s peak Gen.
X humor.
Like it’s like I say things that are Reggie.
23:00
Yeah.
When you want to, I say things are Reggie.
Yeah.
Autism.
Yeah.
Because fuck you.
Yeah.
Because I can.
That’s why Freedom of America bombed.
Yeah.
I had the guns, guns, guns.
You can’t do anything like it’s it’s anti Jerry Seinfeld.
23:17
What’s the deal?
I don’t know why I make him sound like more Kramer, but yeah, you know, yeah.
It’s just height, like Sam Kinison, Bill Hicks, like level, like we’re just going to go boom full speed.
And again, your level of enjoyment is going to vary on how much you find that phone.
23:37
It has.
Yeah, it’s the only kind of guy like really super angry comic that’s still funny like that where it still works like because like Lewis Black.
So like the the Dennis Leary shtick, does it like, you know, fill the hole in my soul like he used?
23:57
To Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I was never like a big Denis Leary fan or follower or anything like that.
I mean, I knew of him.
I knew some of his stuff, you know, like the asshole song certainly knew of, you know, knew of him from roasts and such.
You know, in terms of this comedy, yeah.
24:15
I mean, I think there was a particular time for it in that Bush era type controversial, you know, things that he would could would say that would be on the edge of getting away with, which now might be tame in comparison as to what, you know, basically is said every single day bandied about as a in types of humour.
24:40
I think that there is a there’s a truth to what you said there about his exact delivery, because that was pretty much like if if you see Denis Leary in a movie at especially at this time period, nineties, 2000s era, Dennis Leary was Dennis Leary in that movie.
24:58
Like there was no, there’s not really much in way of acting for him.
It was always like, if you’re going to get Dennis Leary in this movie, you want him to be Dennis Leary in the movie.
That’s the reason to have him in that role.
Otherwise he probably didn’t get Cat.
25:14
You know, he wasn’t getting Cat for like many serious roles.
You know where Dennis Leary just comes in and serious doesn’t.
Have the range of someone like Robin Williams, you know?
And so the reason I say that is because the ref is pretty much Dennis Leary as Dennis Leary.
25:30
You know, he’s a burglar, Dennis Leary.
But, you know, I don’t know if that’s true to life or not in his, you know, his past, but.
He is.
He could.
He could have been in The Princess Bride or like Robin Hood with his goatee.
He looks like, you know, like such a Swash.
25:46
The goatee in the the red mustache going on, yeah, kind of like a carry out was sort of sort of look going on.
Errol.
Errol Flynn.
Yeah, yeah, I I can see that.
It is funny too, in the ref when he puts on the suit and tie, with how distractingly he looks in that suit and tie, like it just does not seem to suit him at all, you know?
26:10
And that’s kind of the joke too, is like, oh, he comes down.
He’s supposed to be a doctor character.
An Asian doctor.
Doctor Wong, I do love.
That Doctor Wong.
I do love that line when the, when he’s like, you heard Doctor Wong and he’s like, yes, my mother was Irish and she’s like, and your father wasn’t.
26:35
Yeah, some something else.
Yeah, it wasn’t.
So it’s it’s a good it’s a good line.
But yeah, Dennis Leary in the ref is basically Dennis Leary.
And I feel like this is to his strong point in the ref the the film is really leans into using him for this purpose instead of, you know, trying to put a visceral actor into this character that maybe doesn’t fit the role.
27:00
I think they use them to good, but you know, to a benefit to this movie because, you know, again, I actually think Dennis theory is probably one of the best parts of the ref.
I don’t I feel like the ref as a as a whole storyline writing, it kind of stagnates quite a bit throughout the movie, partially because it is set in one location for most of the movie.
27:26
So we’re kind of just like the hostages of the the film’s protagonists.
It was played by Judy Davis and Kevin Spacey AS2 husband and wife duo who are, you know, home on Christmas Eve fighting and are kidnapped by Denis Theories character Gus Zergler.
27:43
Don’t you just love to how 90s and stuff it is with they’re going to marriage counselling.
It’s kind of like with like mall rats when they’re like Ben Affleck looks to fuck chicks in the ass.
28:00
Yeah, like, oh, sub me here.
It’s like I had a dream.
Don’t tell him about your dreams.
And there was a penis sticking out of his ear.
Caroline, you, you whore.
Why would you say such a wild things?
28:17
And it’s just like.
Yeah, the the sort of the fake, fake outrage that you’d get from something like that.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I agree.
I mean, I think that I think that, you know, Dennis Leary really is the glue that holds this movie together.
28:35
It I mean, don’t get me wrong, I think, you know, Kevin Spacey does a good job.
This is again, this is this is a very Kevin Spacey role for Kevin Spacey in this movie as well, like playing the sort of.
He’s basically playing a reverse American beauty role because the American Beauty, he’s the one that goes, you know, Breaking Bad.
28:57
And here he’s the, you know, guy that’s got, you know, a bunch of shit up his ass.
Right.
Yeah, I think.
But I think that this is a very Kevin Spacey role for him is playing sort of the closed off character, you know, very much stuck in his particular lifestyle.
29:22
I think that like for the most part though, the ref.
Are you, are you saying particular lifestyle because he’s a secret queen in this movie?
Well, he does seem like a very nice like queen character, but.
Because every time I was saying, because every time he goes on a rant, it sounds like like he’s, you know, I haven’t had sex with you in forever.
29:44
Not just because that haircut you have there goes there, but because I want a real man.
That’s right.
He does how he he gets a nice little like hair flip going on, I think.
But no, but I think, like I said, I they Kevin Spacey does a good job.
30:00
I think Judy Davis is good too.
Don’t get me wrong, but I think that what holds the movie together is Dennis Leary’s character or just being.
And again, that’s kind of the whole idea is that he’s the ref between the two who are constantly bickering and yelling at each other.
And he’s the ref in the way who’s who’s, you know, gets into more than he bargained for after he kidnaps them and finds out that like, whoa, these guys are, you know, a little bit too much to handle.
30:25
They’re, they’re just, they’re over the top and pretty annoying.
And I think like, I think like that’s what the movie is going for.
But at the same time, I do feel that, you know, the movie’s like 96 minutes long, but the middle portion really, really stagnates as they are kind of just the 2 characters are strung up, hog tied, and we’re kind of in this one location, forced to listen to this bickering as it goes along.
30:55
I don’t know.
Did you feel the same way watching it again, sort of being in a more critical eye now than when you were watching it as a kid?
Yeah, I mean, it’s it’s a definitely a mixed bag film because the opening is like, OK, we’re building to, you know, these people are unhappy.
31:15
They I got issues.
We see them in therapy, you know, with their marriage counsellor and shame on the doctor Wong because his turtleneck is just that turtleneck, not a, you know, judge or judge Ryan old level.
31:35
Oh.
Yeah, no, not not the sweater level.
Missing out, Missing out.
Yes, missing out on, you know, the Christmas.
There we have the sub.
You know, the plot with Denis Leary’s breaking into a home and sealing jewelry.
31:52
I two things I find it funny that the safe hat, well, one, it has the ring like, you know, a trap where like, oh, there’s a ring in if you pull it by, you know, the whole box, it will, you know, alerts the cops and you get slid down into a trap and there’s a dog down there, you know, and it yells burglar, burglar, burglar.
32:15
And it’s the world’s quickest, you know, response time from the cops.
Like holy shit, rich white people being wrong, you know?
Get out over there.
You know.
It’s kind of like that scary movie joke where she’s like, Oh my God, white girl in danger.
32:32
Immediate emergency and the same thing too with like the cat piss sprang on him is why, but it’s funny like it is like really stupid because this is an on running joke throughout the film.
They’re like, oh, who soiled themselves, like, oh, who smells like pissed, you know, and they’re looking at him.
32:51
So I mean, it’s like a, like, fun little joke, but I mean, like, the film’s weird because it’s got that set up.
Like, OK, he’s a burglar on the run trying not to get, you know, caught by the cops.
Because in incredibly white Connecticut, if a white person’s jewelry stone, they’re going to be doing a curfew.
33:12
Bring the state troopers in and have everyone.
Everyone every cops in black Christmas did for 2/2 murders happened in the area.
And then they’re going to have like everyone, like cops knocking door to door on Christmas Eve, you know, to find this fuckers like he, doesn’t he have like insurance on that or anything?
33:34
Like Jesus, Like I I need your goddamn police force to be running around tracking down my wife’s fucking Pearl necklace.
You’d think that the the insurance they’d come back and say don’t worry about it, the insurance is higher than the actual value of the necklace.
Yeah, you’re fine.
33:50
Yeah, don’t worry.
It’s just ridiculous.
But it sets up that part.
Then you have the whole hostage part where, you know, Dance.
Lee runs into them at the village store.
And, you know, I’m just very upset when they are getting ready for the Christmas dinner when they’re at the village store.
34:10
She didn’t grab any of that.
Ragu Old world traditional sauce and craft 1000 island like.
She has no use for that.
She’s making Luke Fisk and whatever else she’s doing you.
Still should grab you still should grab it because you know what Warren Buffett paid for this film.
34:28
That’s why there’s so much craft place.
But then like, you know, they sneak away.
He’d, you know, it’s kind of like the full premise of the hostage situation is stupid because Denis Leary has no reason to like he’s a you know, he’s not a murderer.
34:48
He he’s just a thief.
He’s just so I like, you know, in a veteran one too.
So it’s like, why are you wasting your time capturing people?
And when they’re like, we’ll take you wherever you want.
He’s like, no, I need to go to your house.
I think, I think, I think, what do you think?
35:06
Then I have a smoke, then you smoke.
I have a smoke, smoke, smoke.
And then the third act becomes a Tennessee Williams play when like literally it’s like watching the like, you know, the glass menagerie or something because they’re it’s all set up in like 1 room and they’re all like, wow, how do you.
35:26
Declare it is very.
True.
The restaurant.
The restaurant business we.
Had it has a very sleigh like drama that unfolds especially like considering the fact that most of the movie is just dialogue between the two husband and wife that you know, again, that’s it’s very play like and like the bickering back and forth banter that you might expect from something dramatic, overly dramatic, really a stage performance.
35:56
I agree with that.
Look, it’s not bad like I like because again, the plot’s simple.
It’s not really about Denis Leary and like his robbery.
Reason why it’s called the ref is because he’s like the mediator in between this falling marriage between Kevin Spacey and Judy Davis as they express, you know, express their feelings in a way they couldn’t ask the therapist.
36:19
And and so like, that is like the most engaging part.
And it’s so simple too.
And it’s so like it’s a like a very down to earth, human like play because it’s not like something sophisticated like, oh, you know, well, you slept with him.
36:41
So when I was out doing the business of the TPR, blah, blah, blah, it’s like we, we opened up a restaurant.
It failed.
Life’s been hell.
Now we live in my, you know, we have, we live in your mom’s house and we’re paying 18% fucking rent on it.
36:58
And she’s a bitch.
And you won’t, you know, do anything.
And they’re in this hell of a loveless life because of like what’s happened to.
It’s very just like, I would say pretty smart compared to the films that are written today, because it’s so simple.
37:14
It’s so like, when have you like ever seen like a film be that like grounded in reality, Like, hey, everyone hates their like this the situation.
Here’s why you can relate to it.
I think that’s, I think that’s part of the problem is that like I do, I like the fact that the movie has this sort of Christmas chaos going on with it because, you know, too often there’s a lot of Christmas movies that are, you know, they kind of go the other way.
37:44
Like everybody’s super happy and lovely and they have a nice, really nice Christmas time and it’s all about celebrating together and stuff.
And this one kind of goes the opposite.
It’s like, OK, for all the people who have very dysfunctional families who, you know, maybe their parents didn’t just love each other all, you know, all gushy and you know, get them nice Christmas grifts every year and stuff.
38:07
I think this is more of the movie for them.
And, you know, the dysfunctional family is it in its own sub genre of Christmas movie?
Of course.
And it has proliferated over the years especially.
So I think like the ref isn’t really doing anything like particularly different in the way that it displays A dysfunctional family.
38:26
However, I think it does do a pretty good job of psychologizing the idea behind these two people and their constant bickering and at least does a pretty good job of having them literally exposite the exact issues that they have.
38:42
I think that the one scene that really does work really well is that towards the end of the movie, where the family has already gotten there and they’re all kind of basically sharing their, it’s like Festivus, right?
They’re sharing their grievances with each other.
Like I got a lot of problems with you.
Are you saying to hear about them?
38:59
Are you saying Larry David and Jerry stole from this film?
I’m not saying they stole it, I’m saying that it’s it, it plays, ends up playing out a lot like a because of this idea of Christmas.
You know, the airing of grievance.
That’s right.
Yeah.
39:14
I mean, it’s basically what it is.
And I think that that moment in this film works really well, especially, you know, when Kevin Spacey comes out and he’s like, listen, you need to really think about what you’re saying when you say, like, I made, you know, I did all this stuff because, like, you didn’t make any of those decisions because you were too scared to.
39:32
And and then she kind of goes on her tangent and says, listen, you, you know, you you’re a wet noodle basically.
And I think like that moment works really well.
The film is building and building to that moment throughout because most of the time they talk over each other, can’t hear a word they’re saying.
39:47
But then, you know, at that certain point, they’re ready to face the blame and take on the blame from another person.
And I think that’s it’s really well done when it comes to that point.
I think the problem is the lead up to that point is is kind of slow.
It takes its time and not only that, I think the film has a little bit of a messy storyline.
40:09
The writing does not do a very good job of setting up some of these other tangential elements that go into the movie, like the the Sun with the blackmail.
Yeah, no, really poorly done again because like he’s just a little scam.
Like you’re totally right, though, because like it like, does there even need to be a son in this film?
40:28
No.
Yeah.
There doesn’t need to be a Macaulay Culkin stand in, you know, he’s like, or, you know, a Malcolm in the Middle Middle child, you know, like, I blackmail my, you know, military guy, you know, with my, you know, dark room in my fucking Military Academy because he’s out with like, a hook or a couple of hookers with some nice titties.
40:50
And he’s like, oh, I’ll pay you $500.00 for that.
And I sit drunkenly looking at them while my wife calls.
And I’m like, oh, no, honey, I’ll be home later.
Boobs.
I I think, yeah, I agree.
41:07
I think that the sun is really wasted.
There’s really, really very little of the actual blackmail element to it.
So it kind of comes out of nowhere because there’s a couple times where the film switches over to showing, you know, this is JK Simmons first role by the way, and it just switches over to JK Simmons in the office, like kind of just like drinking.
41:28
And it’s like the film’s focus is almost never on him.
So like to have this one random inserted shot of him just sitting there almost feels like it has to be tacked on later.
Wait, yes, it’s JK Simmons.
If you’re, if you’re saying, wait, that’s JK Simmons, Yes, it’s JK Simmons.
41:45
Holy shit I had no idea.
This is JK Simmons, Yes.
It’s his first film role and unfortunately it had to be in that role, which is like a very, again, it’s abbreviated it.
The film does not do a good job of setting us up.
42:01
It really makes no overall point to the prop besides the fact that the kids like, I’m just going to run away with you, Dennis Leary.
We’re going to go on the Lam together for some reason.
And Dennis Leary, even in the movie, is just like, no, you’re fucking not.
He basically says it just like that.
42:16
No, you’re fucking not.
You know, because it’s a stupid idea.
He recognizes this stupid idea and it doesn’t add anything to the overall proceedings.
I don’t.
Think what’s what’s worse?
The fact that I didn’t realize that was JK Simmons, or the fact that the marriage counsellor, Doctor Wong is BD Wong, whose whole career is just being a doctor in shows.
42:42
That is true.
I I have seen that before that that guy before, but it didn’t really recognize him.
He was on Law and Order SVU as the OH.
Yes, that’s OK.
That’s where I’ve known him from.
OK, that’s true.
Yeah, yeah, no, I I would agree.
42:59
Like it’s a, it’s a sloppy concept with a lot of highs and lows.
Like it’s definitely all over the place, like style, you know, the way it’s written.
43:14
I do like I still do find it enjoyable enough.
I think it’s a more dysfunctional version of like Christmas vacation.
Like, hey, let’s turn like take Christmas vacation and turn it up to our.
So like, you know, you can fully see how, like, you know, miserable and dysfunctional these people are because again, like, for every look like kind of like, OK, you know, this is kind of dragging on a little too weird or whatever.
43:44
Like there’s some funny parts.
Like I love the part where like the family’s coming in the, you know, from Boston and before they’re getting in for the dinner, they stop at it like practically at Denny’s.
And they all get like Salisbury steak, peas and shit.
And they’re like, why?
And the kids are like, why the fuck are we stopping here?
44:01
And like, well, because your aunt sucks the cooking might as well just eat now before, you know, we realize what the fuck she’s doing.
Like it matters a man like if you’re driving like hours to your like a relative for a family dinner and you’re like, by the way, we got to stop at Daniel get moon over my hand knees, because we don’t we don’t know what the hell she’s going to cook up and it might not be edible or good.
44:25
So it’s true, you know.
That is true.
I mean, I think that that is a pretty funny moment, especially because that again, we haven’t talked about Christine Burnski except to say, you know, she’s in this Christmas movie and how the Christmas, but she’s also for a side character.
44:45
She’s great in this movie because she at least she does get a particular type of character and she’s you know, it’s so funny when she she can switch between like.
Oh, we’re.
We’re coming over just shortly.
We’ll be right there.
Sorry, we got and then she’s like church get the.
45:01
Get on team car, get in the car right?
Now you know, And then she, she kind of jumps.
Behind that too, yeah, no, she’s fucking hilarious.
And the same thing too is like, why would somebody well, like, you know, why would they let somebody out who’s like so dangerous or something?
The kids like Republicans and she’s like scams, scams, really.
45:20
How dare.
Yeah.
You know, but she’s always great, like she’s got that like tone, like in the right proper bitchiness, like she’s always had that like so anytime I ever see her, it’s like always like a wonderful treat and a wonderful like, you know, like, oh.
Nice.
45:36
Yeah, Yeah, I I think she does a great job here.
But again, I think that a lot of the families wasted too doesn’t really come into play all that much.
I mean, and again, Glynis Johns as Rose, the mom, also great.
My wife was pointing out to me, she was like, I know, I know her from somewhere.
45:54
And then it was she was like Mary Poppins, mom and Mary Poppins.
And it was like, Oh my God, yes, she is.
She has a very distinctive voice.
She’s Grace.
Because she’s South African, that’s why.
No, it’s like, I would say that’s true because like it’s a hard accent pinned down because you’re like, it’s not quite English, but it’s not.
46:15
Quite and and then you’ll it’s the.
It’s like like.
When you fucking hear that Ding Dong Elon talk, you’re like, why does he fucking sound like that?
And then you’re like, I don’t understand.
You look like, oh, he’s from South Africa.
Makes sense?
Yeah, I, I think that, you know, I wish that they were focused on a little bit more because I do think that that again, there’s a staleness to the middle part of the movie.
46:44
I think the second act is really slow in the way that it plays out.
I think that it felt like forever with it just taking so long for anything real to actually happen.
And by the time the family gets here, like, OK, all right, some some chaos here, some actual stuff that’s going to happen, but I, I feel like the in between really needed some additional elements to keep it I.
47:09
Know, I think if you had them show up earlier because again, like we see that they’re apparent perfect family, you know, as you know, is obviously a sham and shit.
If you had them come in earlier and have to deal with that like Denis Leary and them deal with them like just to see like their foibles and flaws didn’t, you know, make for a much more interesting film because again, by the time they’re having dinner, so now we’re in 10 minutes and got 20 minutes left.
47:40
You got Judy Davis on one thing of wine.
Like I’m a drunk now and I’m going to start saying things.
It’s like if you like took the 20 minutes that you had of them dithering about with fucking bungee cords, it would tie it a lot better.
47:58
And I I totally agree with that.
I totally, totally agree with that sentiment.
It’s not doesn’t make for cohesive plot and flow.
It’s the second act as a total snooze fest.
48:13
Yeah, yeah.
As as as as they wait around for the sun to show off and the he’s going to be here.
Yes, yes, no, yes, yes, no.
You know.
The other thing I found really weird too was the the whole Santa Claus bit of the, you know, the guy that’s dressed as Santa Claus just roaming around giving out fruitcake.
48:31
And the film kind of transitions to showing him a bunch of times.
And yeah, I mean, I get, is he part of the plotting a little bit?
Like he stumbles in at the end of the movie?
Is that supposed?
Is that supposed to be Tim Allen Santa Claus?
Yeah, right.
Well, which came out later in the year, like came out in November, but it still feels like it’s kind of fucking shot at Tim Allen because he’s like, I’m lactose intolerant and then gets to the one house and he’s like, give me booze.
49:00
He’s just walking around drunk and and he’s like, hey, my wife gives you a fruitcake.
You don’t give a shit.
And it’s like, yeah, you give him fruitcake.
What do you like, want?
Like nobody’s like, it’s not so weird that.
Yeah, I, I, I don’t quite understand the inclusion there either.
49:21
I don’t know.
You’re the one that took French.
How do you feel about the whole Shasur, you know, joke?
Well, I do think it’s funny because yeah, they keep calling him like Chasser and they’re like, no, it’s so soon.
Which I mean, I guess if that was my name I would.
It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s well, not, it’s not that.
49:39
It’s not the.
No, no, it’s like.
It’s not like correcting the.
Pronunciation.
It’s Yeah.
It’s not, it’s not Corky Romano like pissing it.
No, no Sir.
It’s peace song, you know, It’s French.
No, no, they’re here.
They’re like, no, no, it’s tesor.
49:54
It’s 18th century French Huguenot like.
Yes, yes, yes.
It’s the way that he.
It’s so ridiculous and hilarious, like, Oh yes, the Huguenots.
Who can Who in American history cannot remember the Huguenots?
50:14
What else?
Oh, and the other thing I want to point out that I thought was very interesting but kind of a waste of time is the fact that the film kind of jumps to the police, you know, officers who are working on the case.
And it’s kind of a big deal that the police chief is not he at first.
50:32
He doesn’t really take this robbery all that seriously because he’s kind of like, yeah, well, you know, like, you know, these white rich people and their robberies.
I.
Mean.
He’s great.
Listen, I love him.
He’s a hero.
The fucking rich guys come in like, you need to fucking do this.
He’s like go fuck yourself.
50:47
Yeah, he’s like, you guys care about us at all.
Yeah, he’s like, anytime you have a problem, you call your attorney general or whatever.
You never come to us.
So why don’t you go fuck yourself like right like that, Like God bless the Lieutenant.
I agree, you know, I totally agree.
I just think that there again, there’s a weird focus on them for all of what, 10 minutes of the movie of like showing them watching It’s a Wonderful Life and actually accidentally taping over the evidence and stuff like that.
51:14
I mean, is it funny?
Like sort of.
And do I like seeing Raymond J Berry in another role besides the Father and Justified?
Yes, Man has a God damn very high hairline.
I’ve never noticed that before because I think because he’s like kind of balding as he got older.
51:32
But man, is that hairline high and tight.
And also too, I fucked your wife.
Yeah.
But like, again, that stuff goes nowhere, right?
Like it?
No, it doesn’t.
It’s like the bomb squad and Jingle all the way with like the cop, like it’s got tracking down like, yeah, no, it’s it’s kind of like we need a random Side Story going on to stretch the film out.
52:03
Yeah, it’s it’s strange, like the.
Fact in 1994, these fucks are like hit play.
Oh no, I hit the wrong button.
Like, you don’t know, play pause, fans record, you know, it’s not like it’s 1980.
52:20
Like, Oh no, I actually recorded over seasons.
Like you should know by now.
Like you’re in fucking Connecticut.
Everyone’s got AVCR money, you know.
I know.
52:35
The other funny thing is, and I mentioned it when I texted you, was Murray the Wheel.
Man, I had no God damn idea that that was the guy.
Richard Bright, the actor who played Al Neary in all three Godfather films.
52:52
Oh no Fucking.
Clue another one of those.
Well, when he when he was like said one thing and he looked like it was when he was on the boat and he looked I was like, oh, I definitely his godfather 3 came out in 1990.
53:07
I was like, oh, yeah, that’s that’s him.
I see it now.
But like the young man, the 70s, Al Neary, because you know, in all three films he’s Mike Corleone, you know, Al Pacino’s and four most entrusted enforcers.
53:24
But you know, he and he doesn’t really talk that much, but he’s like, oh gosh, what’s cool?
Gussy poo?
What’s going on?
I was lucky dude.
Say hello.
Yeah, he doesn’t like it much either.
53:41
But it’s just funny because it’s like, holy shit, you know?
Yep.
What else?
What else do we talk about?
How’s the Christmas decorations?
What do you think about the holiday cheer at Play and the Rat?
53:57
I think it’s good enough.
That’s fine.
That’s fine now so I I I I would be more offended if I went to the dinner and they’re like we’re having like a Norwe like Norwegian chutney and and I’d be like I didn’t sign up for this.
54:13
Where’s my God damn ham?
OK, because our butt, as I was talking earlier when I mentioned them, Matt and I when we were riding around the other day was like, how would you rank gravies?
54:29
You got like beef, pork, chicken, ham, you know, like how would you rank them?
And we agreed like beef, ham, pork and chicken.
And we both agreed too, while ham gravies delightful, very limited on the uses.
54:47
It’s like only useful for like Christmas Day where you get that nice, like, you know, ham steak or ham.
So I would be very upset about that.
It’s true.
It’s true.
Same thing too.
55:03
I know I my family never did it and I mentioned it before when we talked about like what do you have for Christmas?
Every year some families do a lasagna.
God I would love fucking lasagna right now or for Christmas.
Delightful.
I don’t need fucking bark from the trees and sky rimmed.
55:23
No Christmas stay here.
Yeah, yeah.
I would say that the the Christmas elements are pretty good.
You know, it’s got a few holiday Christmas songs.
It’s got, you know, It’s a Wonderful Life on the TV.
It’s I I think it it works it in pretty well.
55:40
What do you think of the soundtrack?
You know who did the soundtrack?
No, who did the soundtrack?
Dave Stewart of the Eurythmics.
Didn’t know.
Yeah, soundtrack’s not bad.
It’s got like a kind of a pulsing electronic beat to it.
That opening song from the crowd, the.
55:56
Enya Christmas.
Song.
Well, that, that’s, yeah, that’s like, like taking the Gregorian chant, like Christmas.
That is definitely an odd but very 90s eccentric choice for that opening.
56:11
Yeah, very, because.
I I I I didn’t know that.
But then it was what list like opening like listen to the credits.
So it says music by David A Stewart.
And I was like, Jesus, I’m like, I didn’t know you did that.
I’m like, I didn’t.
I had no idea.
And yeah, very, very.
56:29
Like Mark Mothersbaugh just dipping his SO and a bit, you know?
It’s true.
Yeah.
That that opening theme is definitely.
Yeah, Something something for sure.
All right, so we have to give the ref a rating.
56:48
I got AI need a scale here.
Do you got a scale?
I’ll come up with one if not.
Out of zero to 10 friction created boners.
Was it was it really a boner or was it was it really just friction?
57:04
I think it was just friction.
I like, I love the, I love that.
I love that her eyes like lit up like oh.
Yeah.
And then I, I also love that Kevin Spacey has this like little mischievous, like, no, seriously, It, it really is just a friction.
I’m not attracted to you in in any way whatsoever.
57:23
It’s just friction.
It does that just like when my jeans Rev up against me a little bit too much.
It’s just.
It’s the bleach.
Is that good enough or that’s?
Good, that’s good.
Friction, Friction.
57:40
Flavour direction.
I’ll give it a six out of 10.
I think it’s a fun enough film.
I think it’s it’s not the holiday classic that I remember.
And I say that with just, it’s a fun enough film.
It’s an amalgamation of, you know, home alone, a Christmas vacation, Tennessee Williams play, It’s all over the place.
58:06
The story’s too a little too this too long.
It drags a little bit.
But you know, Judy, all the cast does a good enough job to make it entertaining.
And like I said, when it comes to the third act and the family issues and dealing with, like, what’s going on, it does make for, like, a very interesting film.
58:35
I think if it was better written and more, you know, cut down and focus, it’d make it a lot better.
But it’s a fun enough film.
And like, even though I joke about, you know, Dennis Lee’s comic style, like, he’s still good and fun enough.
58:53
Again, your mileage is totally going to vary on whether you like that or not, because I don’t think there’s a middle ground.
I don’t think it was going to look like, you know, see those, you know, dance series comedy, neither be like it’s OK.
You know, you’re either going to be like I’m in, I can deal with it, or you’re like, it ain’t for me.
59:16
It’s fun enough and fine enough film.
It’s like just like an R rated lesser thought out home alone.
So 6 out of 10 I’d say check it out.
It’s worth it, you know, taking a chance on.
Yeah, I’m going to agree.
59:32
I would give it a six out of 10 as well.
I think, you know, it has its moments.
I think that it does have some funny elements to it.
It’s got a nice dysfunctional family thing theme going on that’s, you know, pretty popular within the Christmas sub genres.
I think that it does a pretty good job of incorporating Dennis Leary in here as the mediator, and he effectively does that well.
59:55
And I think that both of our, you know, the main protagonists are actually really well acted, too.
And Kevin Spacey and Judy Davis give up nice performances here and there.
And of course that, you know, they kind of have to go after each other.
But when they’re given free rein to do their little monologues, I think that, you know, they both do a great job, too.
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So the cast is really not the problem.
I do think it is the writing.
The script is probably needed to be tweaked and toned a little bit.
I think it needed just a little bit of editing to make it a little bit more focused and perhaps from the direction standpoint, maybe moving on from certain scenes a little bit quicker.
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Because I do think that it overstays it’s welcome in the middle portion a little bit too much, you know, really gets bogged down in some of the dramatics in the fighting.
That’s like Martin said, almost like a Tennessee Williams stage performance at times.
I think that it’s really interesting how this movie ended up getting marketed and released because I do think it’s a little bit more of a a serious flick than the poster might let on.
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And, you know, to be kind of marketed as sort of like zany, like crime comedy is not exactly what the film actually offers up for people who are looking for something different for Christmas.
I think the ref is kind of an interesting pick.
1:01:21
You know, that’s something that, you know, if someone says, you know, we’re going to have a Christmas party and we’re wondering, you know, what should we watch instead?
And somebody pulls out the ref, you might think, like, huh, well, that’s an interesting individual.
Might have to talk to them more.
So I think it’s something to to check out for people who are kind of sick of the normal Christmas fair.
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So that’s it’s you know, it’s that’s really one of the the key points of this movie is that it’s something different for Christmas and offers up a little bit of a different approach to it with the sort of a black comedy element to Dennis Leary, who also is apparently having a Christmas revival because he just starred in this other movie that they released for Amazon Prime called Oh, what fun.
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He’s in that too, as like the the dad in that movie, the older dad figure.
So so yeah, I’ll give it a six out of 10.
It’s an OK film.
I think, you know, there are there are points to it that are really good and then other points that are kind of lows and it kind of lulls at points, which can really only make it mediocre in my eyes, but worth a watch.
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I think.
So an interesting way to spend Christmas.
All right.
So I think that’s pretty much going to do it for the fest of a series.
We do have the opportunity to potentially do a New Year’s episode.
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I don’t know if we will or not.
I don’t know if I’m going to get a chance to with a, you know, within the holiday season, but it’s it’s always an option.
But if we don’t, then we’ll definitely be back in two weeks for a new episode.
And again, it’s going to be a crapshoot.
1:02:58
What that is, I don’t really know.
We’ll have to come up with something.
We’ll see, we’ll find out.
I don’t really know.
There’s there’s stuff out there that we had wanted to cover.
So it could be that could be something random that we pick, who knows?
So, but thanks for listening to our Festivus episodes.
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Hope you enjoyed spending your holiday season with us as we go through these really random Christmas movies that we picked out for this year.
And you know, if since I’m going to release this episode right before Christmas, you know, instead of our normal Friday drop.
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If you do want to spend more time with Blood and Micron podcast, I’ve curated a whole series, all the Festivus episodes into a Spotify playlist.
So you can check that out on Spotify.
Just search for it from there and you can listen to every single Festivus episode that we’ve done, which dates back probably to like 20/20/18 or something like that.
1:03:52
I, I don’t even know, really far back.
Yeah, something like that.
Something it’s, it goes back quite a ways.
And I think there’s probably over 100.
No, well, maybe not 100, but there’s, there’s a lot of episodes.
There’s like 80 episodes of Christmas episodes out there.
1:04:09
So check it out done if, if, if you’re thinking about normal movies, we’ve probably done most of them.
Elf and a Christmas story we haven’t done.
But other than that, you’ve probably you could probably find what you’re looking for.
So thanks for listening to our Festivus series.
1:04:24
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Hope you have a Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas and until next time.
Ho ho ho, happy Festivus and light your John Saxon new logs.
That’s right.
