If Club Dread was a traditional slasher parody, Tucker and Dale Vs. Evil takes things in a different direction by upending the usual formulas; instead of college co-eds being the targets, they become the killers in this comedy about a giant misunderstanding. We talk about the hilarious circumventing of tropes, the great 2010s feel, and how well the conceit orks over a full-length film. We’re also drinking Southern Tier’s new Buffalo Bills-themed IPA can!
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0:30
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0:53
Hey guys, welcome back to the blood and background podcast.
I’m Ryan from coltsploitation.com and I’m joined in my Coho smart.
How’s it going?
Oh, it’s been a doozy of a day, I’ll say.
That, but one thing that we’ve got going for us is we’re still celebrating Halloween already, even though it is just early in September.
1:14
We are into our new iteration of our Halloween season called Halloween.
I really have to think about that when I get myself ready to do the laugh and Erin saying good kids, ha ha.
Halloween is, if you didn’t listen to our last episode where we started it, it’s a kind of a version of our Halloween season where we take a look at some horror parodies in, in the broadest sense of the term that you can think of.
1:43
And we’re we kind of have a selection of different kinds of horror parodies.
Not necessarily even, you know, maybe some of them aren’t really, you know, like they don’t take themselves as a parody, but they, they end up being sort of like a meta style, something like that.
2:01
So it’s, it’s very broad and we’ll be working through a number of different types of horror parodies as we get through the 9 episodes that we have for this Halloween season.
Last time we did Club Dread, which was a slasher parody and not one that we were really especially especially fond of, I guess I would say, but.
2:22
To call it parodies being very generous.
It’s yeah, it’s it’s, we’ll just call it in speed instead of that.
It’s just a movie.
Just a Just a movie.
Things happened this week, though.
2:37
We we kind of have a a movie that’s I guess similar in the ideas of it as like kind of presents the slasher dynamic again.
But in this case, I think that it it certainly tries to do something differently.
2:55
Whereas Club Dread was really intent on just parodying straight out a slasher film and using those same tropes to try to get the gleam comedy out of it.
I would say for this movie, it actually tries to upend the slasher formula and try to see it from a different perspective instead of just reiterating with the same slasher tropes and then like making fun of them.
3:23
And I think now is a good time to reveal the title if you didn’t read it from the the description of our podcast episode.
But what episode are they on right now?
That’s right. 332, I believe is the number we’re up to and we’re covering Tucker and Dale versus evil today or or I should say Tucker, Tucker and Dale versus evil.
3:47
I was thinking more the mermaid man like.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, from, from Sponge.
Yeah, Evil, yes, I think that Tucker and Dale versus Evil came out in like 2010, I want to say I would think right around there.
4:03
I believe it was direct to video.
So it was it was kind of kind of released at that time on DVD and and maybe streaming services at that point too.
I don’t know if if they were like huge at that time.
I do know Magnet released this and Magnet was a big distribution group of films that were maybe not ready to be released in theaters, but they would, you know, kind of release these lower budget films to DVD.
4:33
And I do definitely didn’t see it when it first came out, but I remember being like not too long after that, maybe a couple years after being introduced to it, my friends and former roommates were like, oh, you’ve never seen Tucker and Dale versus evil.
4:50
Well, you should check it out because it’s pretty funny.
So it we ended up watching it that night and I actually really enjoyed it when I watched it the first time.
And so I’ve seen it a couple times since.
It’s probably my third or fourth time watching it.
And you know, as we’ll talk about, I quite enjoy it and, you know, get into the specifics of it as we talk more about the movie.
5:11
But how about you?
You experienced with Tucker and Dale versus Evil?
I’ve heard of it, I know of it, know what it’s about because I do remember people.
One of the guys I used to work with at the local convenience store was a big fan of the movie and so I should watch it.
5:29
I only caught ever like a little pits here and there because it comes and goes on Netflix quite a bit, so this is the first time that I actually sat down and watched the whole thing, this time on Tubi.
It was wonderful, right?
OK, yeah, it’s on Tubi.
I think it’s on Hulu.
5:45
You’re right.
It’s been on and off Netflix quite a bit as well.
They kind of I feel like they they just trade the rights to like those magnet style movies quite a bit.
So, you know, it’ll come and go here and there and, you know, watch it when you’ve got it sort of thing.
6:03
Yeah.
So this one, and I don’t like, we’ll probably talk more about the parody elements of of the movie, but this one kind of circumvents the idea of having a slasher at all, right?
Because, you know, the normal setup of a slasher film is teens go somewhere, end up being sliced and diced by, you know, a mass slasher or something like that.
6:25
You know, the traditional tropes of that.
And Tucker and Dale versus evil.
Obviously right from the get go, the title kind of represents A differing kind of scope for this movie.
It’s not a bunch of Co Ed kids that are we’re following, but instead Tucker and Dale, who are, you know, kind of backwards hillbilly types kind of meet all of the stereotypes that you think of as sort of the hillbillies.
6:52
And that’s kind of the the joke is that they on the surface appear that way, sort of like a hills have eyes style backwoods folk.
And instead they end up being super nice and unintentionally violent towards some college kids who are also vacationing in the in the vicinity of them.
7:13
So I think the idea is is kind of nice and unique.
And again, we thought it was a good inclusion in the core parodies because it’s especially to come right after Club Dread because, you know, this is kind of the opposite spectrum of what a slasher parody might try to do, especially, you know, including this in certain things like, you know, alongside Club Dread or Scary Movie where they generally are parodying slasher films is kind of a a fun thing to sneak in there.
7:46
All right, so with that, let’s take a break real quick and talk about the beer that we’ve got on the show today.
You were tasked for getting the beer today, and I think I sure will.
You actually like made a little trip because you were dissatisfied with the local options in our immediate area.
8:02
So you decided that, hey, you were going to go out to a place that, you know, further out place that has maybe a little bit more selection.
Instead of two towns over, I went three towns, yeah.
The the the trials and tribulations of living in a small town locale.
8:22
But what did you get for us today?
So when I went to and this is a place that we’ve had like beers on before, it’s I it’s not that far away.
Ryan’s joking, he’s jesting.
But when I was going, like, I was walking around and it’s like they have a slightly bigger selection than like our main beverage Hut around here, but not like anything that like really stands out.
8:51
Like they’ll have a couple of like stuff that like you wouldn’t expect like a place to have, but other than that they usually have like the same stuff.
I I noticed they had Newcastle.
I guess Newcastle’s back fresh 12 packs.
I thought about getting there because it didn’t look like it’s actually brew.
9:11
It’s doesn’t look like the American version.
It looked like it’s the British version that’s back.
So, but that’s going to be for another time.
But while walking around or, you know, try looking at the, you know, they do have a section like, and nice thing about this place is too, they have signs up that like delineate everything like so they got to sign up for like where they have their stouts.
9:36
They got to sign up for their Ipas to sign up for where the sours are.
And they have a, you know, an area for like imports.
And so they got Italian, German, you know, English.
And so I went over there and I’m looking at the German section and, you know, most of the stuff we’ve had or, or some of the stuff that looks a little interesting might have been sitting on the shelf too long.
10:01
So with all that, I was kind of like, oh man, this sucks.
But I was walking around and I saw they had a nice of the season because the football season just started.
10:21
Southern Tier Buffalo themed IPA now because they’re not affiliated with the Bills.
It doesn’t say Bills, it just says Buffalo STBC with a mock Bill’s helmet and Bill’s colours IPA and it’s basically just their bog standard West Coast IPA.
10:45
Yeah, I mean, the the barcode actually goes just to their regular IPA style.
And actually, for all intents and purposes, you would be hard pressed to even unless you’re actually looking in the store, you’d be hard pressed to find evidence that this even exists, because we weren’t able to, except for having it in our hand.
11:08
I thought it was different because when you look it is on untapped.
So if you go to untap and you type in STBC, you know Buffalo IPA, it does come up.
Oh, does it?
Yes, it doesn’t say whether or not it’s different than the regular IPA, but regardless.
11:26
So I I thought about getting it because again, Southern Tier, as we always say, the forgotten part in New York State and because it’s Bill steamed and the Bills just had a great win on Monday against those bastard Ravens.
I didn’t like the cans.
11:43
Like I I’m going to want to at least have the can to save because, you know, for bills and memorabilia.
That being said, though, listen, it’s not a bad IPA.
They don’t call it a double.
It’s a double 7% big hit of alcohol, Big Piney Simcoe, you know, Simcoe notes.
12:08
Yep, you know, just in your face with that West Coast style.
And to be honest with you, it’s like after I become Mamdy Pamdy a little bit about this, because even though I in my mind think you know, very fondly of West Coast Ipas, you’ve been drinking, you know, nypless for seven years now to where like very few like once like you get like one of these into your system, It’s like, holy shit, what the hell is that?
12:38
It’s not bad.
It’s good.
Again, it’s a bog standard West Coast IPA very much from the vein of like Sierra Nevada’s torpedo.
Excuse me while I’m burping.
So I’d say like check it out if you if you missed that West Coast style.
12:57
The one thing that disappoints me is with it being Bill’s themed, it’s a little much for an IPA.
You should have went like a pills or something just because again, you’re going to want to sell these things as like, you know, game day crushers, you know?
13:15
Right.
And you know what I’m saying this, you know, if I was like, you know, I’m going to all right, going to watch the game, have some Buffalo chicken tip some wings, beef on wack.
Oh, I had half of half of one of these beers and I’m done.
13:32
I didn’t even enjoy my.
Salsa.
It seems like they, you know, they didn’t really want to craft a new beer.
They just wanted to roll it into their existing IPA style with a new can.
And you know, that’s fine.
But like you said, in terms of like marketing, it’s hard to market a 7% beer to football fans, right?
13:54
Like, you know, ’cause again, if you’re buying this and you’re kind of spurred on by the identity of the can, you’re probably going to want it during a Buffalo.
Like you want to bring it to A and I’m not cool enough to get invited to these types of things.
14:11
But a football party, right?
Like getting together on game day Sunday, you might bring this in a 12 pack and say, hey, look what I’ve got Buffalo styled cans for everybody because you’re all fans here.
And then they’d crack in and be like, whoa, man, I just had 18 servings of nachos.
14:34
It’s a little bit heavy for me, but yeah, I definitely see what you’re saying in terms of like a nice lager pills they’re taking taking a, you know, taking like a a note out of Thin Man Brewing, which they did that What pill the pills.
14:52
Pills Mafia.
Pills, mafia lager, something like that would have been appropriate to mark it as sort of like a game day style beer.
So again, I, you know, I, I, I.
Couldn’t shake it.
Could have been like a hell, like, like, you know, hell, it doesn’t have to be like just like, you know, cold something that’s going to be like, OK, this like this is something that’s going to you know, because again, like it, like I said, it’s not bad, but like, holy shit.
15:18
Like I’m only, you know, I’m like 2/3 of the way done with this right now.
And it’s like, I feel tapped out and done.
This kind these kind of beers, like if you’re the, if you get drunk on these things, something’s wrong with you.
And I don’t mean that be like, because you’re just like, oh, you’re a lightweight.
15:33
It’s because like by the time you’re done with like 1 1/2, you’re like, you feel like you’re at, you know, at sea in 1754 on your way to India.
Like it’s the only beer that like drinking water that we have, you know?
True.
15:50
I think, you know, again, this Southern Tier makes a good West Coast IPA in my opinion.
I think this, you know, again, I’ve had it a couple times whether I’ve checked into it or not, but the the style is good.
They do a good job with it.
16:06
The 7% for a regular style IPA, if you’re just drinking it outright, fine.
You don’t want it for a game day beer.
You don’t want it because you probably just had three hot dogs and you don’t need to pack on any more calories because, you know, the higher the alcohol percentage, the higher the sugar, the higher the calories and the more full you feel overall.
16:28
And so I think, yeah, like what you’re saying, I definitely understand.
I think as a, you know, marketing this as a regular style beer, though, as you know, just covering this as Southern Tier IPA, they do a good job.
I’m fine with it.
I like the IPA.
I think it’s pretty box standard as an IPA, but they do a good job.
And again with the important thing to note is that this is a West Coast style.
16:46
It is not like the new New England IP as that everybody’s making where they’re trying to market it as their standard IPA.
This is a very distinctive West Coast style from interestingly enough, a southern a brewery that calls itself Southern Tier and yet marketing with this would indicate way upstate N territory.
17:11
So very very confusing.
Fresh air around.
Directionally.
See Confusing directionally, but.
Also too, as I mentioned to you, when you’re like I said, like because you’re like, I’m going to crack into one of these really shit, a rough day at work.
17:30
And I was like, careful, they’re 7%.
You said, holy shit.
I go, yeah, I know Southern Tear doesn’t do low alcohol like beers, like every like all their stuff is like imperial, like Orange Creamsicle Ale imperial, you know, I mean, they do have a couple here and there, but a lot of the stuff’s really, you know.
17:48
Yeah.
And I mean in this case, this is a standard IPA at 7%.
And then I think they do also do an I have.
The two times.
Yeah, the two, two times, which is another, you know, kind of a standard that they do.
So yes, they, they don’t mess around with alcohol content.
18:05
They, they, they don’t care.
They will give you high alcohol.
Yeah, we’ve had some room to your own here a couple times.
But yeah, I think this IPA is pretty good in in terms of just a, you know, their standard IPA.
And what what do you think though?
18:22
Did they not get the marketing rights to actually have bills on the scan?
Is that?
Probably.
I’d say probably because the beer of the Bills is little bad blue light.
Yeah, what I mean thin, thin man, I think they pretty clearly.
18:40
But no, because they say just pills mafia, not Bill’s mafia.
Because that’s actually.
Hurting the.
Yeah, no, they were because again, the Pagulas, they own the trademark to that now.
They bought that like a couple of years ago, the Bill’s Mafia trademark, you know, which was totally fan based and, you know, fan grown.
19:01
Yeah, and you’re right, the the pills Mafia also avoids any sort of trademarked icon iconography of the Bills team as well.
So I think you’re right.
You must be right.
They’ve well, bat blue is the one that holds all of the cards here.
19:21
And if you step too far outside the territory, you are getting a citation because yes.
So I mean, I guess that seems in line then with I didn’t realize I for some reason, I thought the Thin Man 1 was actually sort of aligned with Buffalo Bills.
19:37
But you’re right, it’s.
Just listen.
I wish in a perfect world, instead of, you know, them being with these commie Canadian, they would pair up with New York’s oldest brewery, Genesee Rochester’s, only 45 minutes away.
19:56
Well, yeah, you, I mean, again and again, Yeah, if you.
You’re Buffalo, NY You’re not.
You’re not Canada.
One of the proudest moments of my life was like in 2008 or 9, I can’t remember one of the two shitty Bills years where they finished like 2 and 14 or whatever and they beat the tight Detroit Lions in Detroit when they started the season off Oh and nine.
20:21
It’s either oh and eight or oh and nine.
And when they won that game against the Lions, Trey Wingo on the Sports Center call goes when he’s talking about the game.
He’s like in the Jenny Cremales flowing in Western New York.
Now that’s what they should be doing.
20:37
Keep that blue light to, you know, the commie Canadians.
Keep it to the Toronto Argonauts.
There you go, it’s true.
Don’t act like you know these.
Things I don’t want you.
You are hopping on even worse of us.
20:56
You’re hopping on an even worse sports bandwagon with college football watching.
You can go to hell with that shit.
I was just joking.
I haven’t haven’t touched it in the last couple of Saturdays.
Good.
All right, let’s talk Tucker and Dale versus evil.
21:13
Let’s get into that.
I don’t know how many of our fans crossover with football, but tune into Martin’s solo podcast on bitching about football.
There’s.
Not much bitching.
There’s not much bitching these days.
It’s just you don’t even you don’t even care to have a response.
21:36
You’re just too now.
But anyway, Tucker and Dale versus you.
First off, I have a problem.
What’s that?
IMDb has with this move more movies like this Rush Hour 2.
That’s because it’s probably because of that.
21:52
Look at the.
Hold on, hold on.
The Cabin in the woods, the Tower of Pong in the French Connection.
How is this eve comparable to the French Connection?
Like, I don’t know, just.
Disturbing us, Our own like coverage.
22:10
At this point, I don’t know.
Is it, is it doing that for you too?
Is that what, like, like, who the hell would be like, you know, watch Popeye Doyle try to crack down, you know, fucking heroin and.
The real issue is a person who does come on here just totally naive and innocent, and they’re like for Neil Percival, I did like that movie.
22:33
What?
Else it was pretty.
Funny, I think I’ll go for that for 1/2, you know?
Listen, I’m like, listen, you know, talking to Dale versus you pretty funny.
I with this movie, Gene Hackman, you know, I thought he was pretty funny in that Ray Romano movie.
22:49
Welcome to Moose for it.
Let’s see now.
Now I would agree with the Cabin in the Woods.
I I’ve never seen the Tower of Pong.
I don’t even know what the.
Fuck, it is a Jake Busey movie so I don’t.
How many?
Hold on, Hold on, hold on.
23:05
That’s what I say.
I’m going to say.
How many times can you say that in your life?
A Jake.
It’s a Jake Busey movie, I know.
No, it’s by the director of this movie.
So that makes it not a little bit more sense.
Not as I say.
Not a side character, but a Jake Busey.
23:20
Movie.
Yeah, yeah, yes.
But other than that, you know, see, I would agree with the the fact that this is somewhat similar to Cabin in the Woods.
And actually this movie predates the Cabin in the Woods, though they do have some similarities to each other.
23:37
So Tucker and Dale Receivo released in 2010 and Kevin Woods released in 2011, you know, very close together.
Cabin in the Woods obviously does a little something different and goes in quite a bit of a different direction than Tucker and Dale versus Evil.
And we even toyed with doing the Cabin in the Woods for this series, but decided against it for basically because I didn’t really want to because I’ve seen it many times and I just didn’t really want to cover it again so soon since I last saw it.
24:06
But.
I feel like that movie came out like in the early 2000s.
Yeah.
I mean, you would, you would kind of, you can kind of think so, but yeah, it’s.
Which I’ve also.
I’ve never even seen it before I’ve.
Oh, you’ve never actually seen The Cabin in the Woods?
Have not.
Wow.
Yeah, I know.
24:21
Am I thinking, am I thinking cabin fever from the early mid, early the mid?
Yeah, you.
Probably are.
I mean, that was in, Yeah, That was the Eli Roth film from the mid 2000s.
You might be thinking of that one instead, which in itself is kind of another horror parody.
24:37
Takes us up a lot more seriously, but kind of a horror parody too.
But for Tucker and Dale versus Evil, I think, you know, obviously the the the title kind of gives it away.
And I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing for this movie.
I think, you know, some of the things that I like the most about this movie take place at right at the beginning of the film because it does present itself pretty early on as sort of a prototypical slasher.
25:03
You know, at the beginning of the film we do see a bunch of college Co eds heading out to the woods and sort of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre style of, you know, getting together road trip style to the woods, smoking dope and you know, kind of wearing the suggestible outfits and things like that.
25:23
Go ahead.
Say which?
By the way, if Club Dread wasn’t dead on mid 2000s to a fucking T, Good Lord.
Is this movie Obama?
Era.
Yeah, it really is.
I was thinking.
With like the clothes and like again, like the like this is where like everything like that’s like has like pot jokes.
25:42
This is so stupid.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Well, what about this?
You’re a genius.
He just, it’s like he just brought like.
One joint?
Yeah, there’s not even enough around.
Wow, that’s feel cool.
There are 20 guys around us that you know.
We’ll be stoned.
26:00
Never.
Yeah.
I think like and again, like that opening sequence, you know, it’s very Texas Chainsaw Mass for ask on even like sort of the outfits are sort of the they’re they’re kind of both a 2010 style outfit, but at the same time sort of a throwback to the the outfits of the 1970s with like the two tops and the short shorts.
26:25
And you know, sort of that style.
You know, it kind of has a timelessness to it because again, fashion kind of trends kind of reiterate every so often.
And I think that that’s probably a portion of it too.
But I think like at the beginning, it, it really does start off like it’s going to be a slasher film with your typical casting character.
26:49
Because again, the film kind of focuses early on on the the college kids and they go into a convenience store and they sort of kind of go through the motions of what you would expect from a slasher film going in.
There’s they get a creepy vibe from the area that they’re in.
You know, it’s a it’s any, any old small town convenience store, but they’re getting like this weird vibe from it, you know, that as college kids do.
27:12
And it’s, you know, it kind of presented in sort of a more serious type way.
And then all of a sudden it shifts focus and it shifts over to Tucker and Dale, who are these two kind of hillbilly guys who are in the convenience store with the college coeds.
27:27
And, you know, they’re obviously having some predisposed feelings about these guys.
You know, it’s in that’s kind of the joke as well, is that they see them as hillbilly backwards dudes, somewhat creepy, somewhat sinister, especially considering, you know, Tyler Labini’s kind of a bigger guy and, you know, tip just typical hillbilly fashion.
27:57
What do you think about that shift at the beginning of the film?
You know, because it again, we, we kind of start out with the kids and then just after that, after they get to the convenience store, we really shift over to Tucker and Dale.
Like, it a lot gets sets it up real early that like, yeah, this is going to be for shits and giggles.
28:18
I do think that, you know, do a really good job of making Tucker and Dale very likable, very affable.
You know, they’re a fun couple.
They’re like us in making these, like college coeds.
Total douchebags and total bug holes that are unlikeable that you can’t wait for, you know, to see them get maimed in hilarious ways.
28:47
I think the thing you forgot the most though, about that Tucker and Dale, when they’re at the convenience store, is they buy a whole jar of pickled eggs.
That is true.
I don’t I I wish we had.
I why not?
That’s like.
29:02
Zombie in the same room as anybody who’s got a giant jar of pickle bags, that’s for sure.
You know, I and I actually, I just because I’ve, I’ve never had a pickled egg.
You know.
I do.
I have really come around in the last few years to hard boiled eggs.
29:20
See, it’s basically the same thing.
It’s just like bitter, right?
Because I, because I used to be the same way too.
I used to like, I’m not going to like hard boiled eggs and like deviled eggs.
And like it took me until it was like 23 to like try deviled eggs because I’m like, I don’t know if I’m going to like it.
And it’s like, I love eggs, love mustard, I love paprika.
29:38
And then it’s like, sure enough you have it and it’s like you dumb fuck.
Put them all together.
And it’s all the way, you know, all the wasted years.
The same thing in the hard boiled egg.
It’s like it’s just a nice soft white egg and then the nice salty yolk, you know, lightful.
Yeah.
And so, you know, I, I just, I, I can’t actually say that.
29:57
But then again, you know, I think that kind of lends itself to the, the whole dynamic of the hillbillies too, because it’s not just the pickled eggs, but at the beginning in the convenience store, he’s basically naming off all these like kind of violent, sinister things.
Like I’ll take the like this hook and this rope and I’ll take this, you know, the chainsaw, the.
30:16
Sun.
Yeah, the side and all these things.
And you know, again, it’s meant to convey a an evil that they might be harbouring up at that camp.
But instead, when you, you know, you again, it’s kind of an ingenious move to shift away after you kind of meet those college coeds and you’re kind of thinking like, wow, I don’t really like, I don’t like these fucks at all.
30:37
Like, you know, they, they are obviously mostly unlikeable and you shift over to Tucker and Dale and there’s that very much congenial like nicety that they have sort of a naive feeling to each other, you know, a friendship and a bond.
30:53
And and then, you know, the, the film kind of does make that about face to say like, well, look what you were assuming about these people that you don’t even know that you, you know, you, you just kind of saw them and and had a particular bias against them.
31:09
So I like that a lot.
I think that works really well.
And I think the the the beginning of the movie is probably Tucker and Dale versus evil’s best asset.
It’s really a nice switch from the perspective that you would normally get from this type of slasher film.
31:25
And again, I think Alan Tudick and Tyler Beam, they have a really good camaraderie together.
Alan Tudick is great.
I think he’s hilarious in this movie in a lot of ways because he kind of plays the kind of the smarter foil to Tyler Le Beans.
31:40
Very naive character he’s.
Much more of a straight man too.
Yeah, yeah.
And not only that, I I mean, I think both of them to some extent are kind of naive.
But, you know, again, the film plays up Dale as the more naive one of the bunch because he doesn’t recognize all of the things that have happened throughout the course of the film that might put them at, you know, might look bad to Pete onlookers.
32:05
So I think that’s really great.
And then again, I, I have to mention to Jesse Moss as Chad, who is, you know, again is given that name, you know.
Before the term had, you know the word had.
You know, yeah, I mean, I think that I think the word still had like some connotations, but not the the meme Marie that it has now with the Chad meme and everything like that.
32:30
But.
It’d be more Kyle back then.
Yeah, kind of, yeah.
He’s a monster drinker.
He’s Kyle.
But I do think that, you know, I mean, Jesse Moss does a great job of presenting that.
I mean, he does even outside of this movie in no offense to Jesse Moss, but he does have that kind of douche baggy to him.
32:48
You don’t know the man.
He’s probably a really nice guy, but unfortunately he is either cursed or blessed with that.
Sort of like college frat boy shit bag.
Smile.
Exactly, it’s a it’s you know, it’s a perfect, perfect casting here.
33:04
And again, the Tucker and Dale versus Evo is obviously working on that dynamic and it recognizes the the tropes that it is circumventing as well.
So that’s all very intentional.
Same thing with with Chaelyn Simmons as Chloe was the kind of busty, you know, I guess for lack of a better word, you know, they intentionally kind of sluttier version of the main girl.
33:32
You know, they they want it.
Every movie, every slasher movie has that sort of like final Girl who is like, oh, she’s the perfect girl next door.
And then you have the contrasting, you’re right, exactly.
You know, again, the film is kind of playing that up with with Chaelynn Simmons as well.
33:50
So really great.
And then, you know, obviously Katrina Bowden as well as Allison, who’s the main, you know, the main final girl, the the love interest for Dale as well.
The film recognizes, again, she kind of has that sultry girl next door element to it that kind of puts her outside of the scope of Final Girl, right?
34:11
Because generally Final Girl and that kind of was changed up in the 2000s as well, especially with films like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake with Jessica Biel and stuff.
But generally, the Final Girl is meant to be like, somewhat sexless, you know, kind of plain and.
34:33
Well, I think, I think in the 2000s and stuff, they were ratcheting it up because it’s like, you know, to like, well, let’s make it even like senior, like, you know, more sinning, like she’s so sexy, but she’s untouchable.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you know, it’s not just that she’s, you know, she, she’s not just like, you know, the Virgin Mary type character, but she’s also like so hot.
34:56
That’s like, how could she even be so virgin?
It’s it’s like we were talking about with like Jamie Lee Curtis, where everyone just recently discovered for some fucking reason, giant Boo bom boos, you know, giant mommy milkers and everyone would like lost their mind on the Internet for like a week.
35:17
Like, Oh my God, with that.
Like I was going to say Parent Trap, but Freaky Friday, you know, promo and it’s like, where the fuck were you people?
She’s always had those.
And it’s like you were joking.
Like, yeah, car, they were there even back in Halloween.
35:34
Like Carpenter had to tell her to throw on 12 sweaters.
Yeah, strap them down.
Yeah, I mean, I think here Tucker and Dale Receiva and again this kind of goes back to that 2000s, mid 2000s and 20 tens aesthetic of like you know again this film for Katrina Bowden it is a struggle between can her shorts.
35:58
Keep her.
Crack from hanging out like that is pretty much the whole you know, there’s yes, there is a struggle between Tucker and Dale and evil specifically with, you know, Chad, but the bigger the bigger conflict here is will a crack pop out and and how much crack will show because those shorts are really straining to.
36:19
Like, what are those like, like, like when she like goes out of those shorts and she’s into, you know, like the farm overall things like the like just looks so stupid the way she has it, like folded.
Down I think it’s supposed to be like, you know, again, a girl next door.
36:35
I worked on a farm, sort of, but I also want to sexify it like a beer commercial, sort of Jessica Simpson and I don’t know.
I think great tasteless.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I think it’s kind of all of that.
36:52
And again, you know, the the kind of the aesthetic just works because this is a horror parody.
You know, if the, if we were talking about this is like an actual slasher film or something and trying to take it seriously, of course it would be ridiculous.
But in a film like this, it just all blends together and just adds to the comedy aesthetic to it, I think.
37:12
One thing I want to say, one thing I want to mention was 1 And when you were talking about Jesse Moss, also his look, pure douche bag from the Obama years, Skinny jeans, pop polo, you know, the slick hair, like emo hair, the tight, you know, skinny jeans.
37:37
He’s got the luck.
Who does?
They got it down.
Also too, what the hell was I going to say man, forget it.
You lost it.
Because you keep interrupting, you keep stepping on.
37:52
It’s OK.
It’s.
OK.
I think that another, you know, great element to this film that I love about the first, you know, probably 30 minutes of it is that the film, you know, after it introduces Tucker and Dale, we kind of go with them to their new cabin in the woods.
38:09
And again, this is sort of before the film has really cemented the slasher elements to it, before everybody’s been murdered.
You actually almost get and I think we’re the the most similarity between cabin in the woods in this movie comes in is when they first entered the cabin.
38:30
And it’s sort of like this Evil Dead style introduction to the cabin.
It’s like, oh, what are these, what are these writings on the wall for?
And it’s just says like teens murdered in the woods and all these kinds of articles.
38:45
And then what do they focus on?
Oh, we get to buy three, get 2 free hot dogs at the, you know, at the, it’s a coupon there and it never expires.
It’s amazing.
Or, you know, like the the fact that like they mentioned somebody who was in this cabin must have been an archaeologist or something, you know, kind of.
39:05
That would be funny too, because like the cab is very similar to the Evil Dead cabin.
It’s like the Necronomicon was in there like, you know, and they’re like, what’s this?
I don’t know, but hey, look at this Playboy I found, you know, like or something like.
That, you know, it’s funny too, because, you know, we often neglect to see it as such.
39:22
And actually, I don’t necessarily see the first one as such, but Evil Dead in itself a horror parody too.
I, I don’t tend to think evil the first Evil Dead is truly that much of A a parody.
I, I, I really do find it to be a pretty good horror film in in general, outside of the comedy element.
39:43
And, you know, obviously it does have that to a certain extent, but you know, evil that too much more so in terms of how it doesn’t take itself as seriously, but you know, that they are in themselves horror comedy horror parodies as well.
So Tucker and Dale versus evil pulling from that is certainly, you know, kind of taking from an already existing parody and.
40:04
Jumping off of that further, but I, I love the fact that it kind of sets up all these ideas of them being at this cabin needing to work on it, setting up the whole, you know, it’s almost kind of a foreshadowing of what’s to come later with the beam that they accidentally knocked down.
40:27
You know, all of those things are great elements to it.
That kind of sets up the comedy later.
And I think the best part about the comedy at the beginning of the film is that it really does take advantage of the fact that the the viewer doesn’t really know where the film is going at this point.
And so once the kids start accidentally killing themselves on the property, that is like probably the best part of Tucker and Dale versus evil because there is really for someone who hasn’t seen this movie, doesn’t know anything about it, especially when it came out, there’s that there’s no expectation there.
40:56
So when they start like, you know, accidentally jumping on the, you know, like the the pieces of wood to impale themselves or accidentally jumping into the wood chipper.
Those are really funny moments that I think still work even if you’ve seen it, but are really effective if you’ve never seen the movie and you don’t really know anything about it.
41:19
I think probably one of the funniest elements is when Alan Tudyk his chainsawing, he accidentally cuts into the beehive and starts running around and swinging his chainsaw like Leatherface and accidentally chasing a guy who you know was just running through as well and he ends up killing himself.
41:38
The funny and say the funnier and more even more idiotic part about that is the fact that like he was holding on to the chainsaw when he was running Yeah, I’m.
Holding it down and I know I mean it’s it’s great, though, I think like that that part never ceases to make me laugh.
42:00
I think it’s just a really overall funny moment to that kind of comments on horror tropes and and things that have come before it.
I think it it just works really well.
And I guess my point being that the opening is probably the most effective of Tucker and Dale versus evil because there it does lack that expectation.
42:21
Once you get further into the movie, you know, probably the last half hour or so, the film kind of loses the the uniqueness of it where it kind of has to deal with the elements that it’s already set up.
So, you know, deal with the fact that like, how do they get out of this, this dynamic of accidentally killing all these, these teens?
42:44
The film kind of works best, in my opinion, at a more truncated version of itself where it’s just like the antics of these guys who are inadvertently, accidentally killing people.
I don’t know if you agree with that, but I, I think probably the, you know, the 1st 45 minutes are really the, the piece of Tucker and Dale versus evil, which I think works the best.
43:09
And then there’s diminishing returns on how much is doing in the back end of the film.
And I would agree it’s definitely front loaded.
The best parts of this film are within the 1st 40 minutes of the film.
43:28
After that and the film is only like 85 minutes long.
So it’s not terribly long.
But you’re right, like once the whole kind of shtick in like half, like half of of these, you know, kids are killed off like instantly.
43:45
The jokes just don’t like flow as well.
And then because it becomes more traditional, we have to stop the bad guy stuff with some of, with a lot of the, you know, focus being on, you know, a more serious tone after that.
44:06
Not that it’s, like, super serious, but it’s definitely more serious than comedic on the last third of the film.
Yeah.
And it definitely makes for a kind of a we a a week third a week third act because like the the whole setup is great, the whole woods, the wood chipper, like I when the guy fucking jumps and, you know, Alan tooted ducks and he flies into the wood chipper.
44:33
Hilarious.
I was thinking the entire time of like Fargo, like, oh, Dang it, buddy, the wood chipper ain’t like, you know, like it’s great.
And like, it’s just like that kind of stuff, just like the whole when the sheriff shows up and they’re like, and they’re holding like, the, you know, mangled corpse.
44:49
And he’s like, what the Hell’s going on here?
Yeah, I’m going to believe it.
But these kids are suicidal.
They just keep killing themselves on the property like, you know.
The least element to it too is really great, I think because and again, these are things when you think about expectations for the viewer.
45:09
So again, like the viewer has been kind of Privy to the all the information we know about Tucker and Dale, we know that they have have good intentions and we know that everything has been accidental.
So the expectation is what’s going to happen when somebody stumbles upon this issue because that’s there’s going to be hilarity to that.
45:32
And I think one of the maybe one of the problems with the film, it’s not really a problem per SE, but it is something that kind of crops up.
And as we talked about, maybe makes the third of the the last sort of the film a little bit weaker is the fact that it deals with that issue of the expectation so quickly, right.
45:50
So like the police show up very soon after the kids start murdering themselves on the property.
And I think that, you know, again, that’s a really funny scene with the sheriff.
Could it have been held out on for just a little bit longer to kind of bridge the gap between those events?
46:09
I think so.
I think it would have helped a little bit if it had, you know, come just a little bit later because the the audience is obviously expecting there’s going to be a moment where Tucker and Dale have to explain themselves, basically explain what happened.
46:25
And I think it comes a little bit too soon in the movie, where if it had, if it had waited just a little bit longer, I think that scene would have paid off even better because of that expectation.
But which as it stands, though, I think that the scene with the sheriff is really funny.
It’s it’s a great moment.
It has a lot of laughs.
46:42
And I think like Philip Granger, the way that he plays that role too, as the sheriff of, you know, like you can kind of see it in him.
Is he like, I’m going to be the hero?
I’m going to come in here and like, well, I better go see what you’ve done.
You know, kind of just playing it off as sort of this hero character who’s going to go stop these Mad Men.
47:00
I think works really well.
But I do think that it would have been that it been better served had it maybe come just a little bit later in the movie so that the film didn’t have to front load itself so much as it does.
I think the the end of the movie is not that.
47:16
It’s not that it’s not funny ’cause it does still have the camaraderie between Tucker and Dale, you know, and the miss the, the misunderstandings between the kids and Allison and everybody else.
But that it it, it doesn’t have enough forward momentum to keep it going for that last third and it has to kind of force things out.
47:40
Like there’s that whole expository flashback with Chad, who has to describe like, Oh, my mom was murdered.
And you know, like she she went through this slasher, you know, thing as well in her past.
And that’s why I’m the way that I am today, because he, you know, one of the key elements in Tucker and Dale versus evil is like, and I guess in any slasher really is who, who leads the charge, right?
48:10
Who like, you know, so most people would just be frightened for their lives as Tucker and Dale versus evil shows.
Most of the, you know, most of them are want to run off.
But there’s that one dude, in this case, Chad, who is like, no, I’m this, this is where I’ve been born for.
48:25
This is what I do.
I, I’m going to face death head on and, you know, tackle it.
So I mean, I think that the film just kind of suffers from a lack of focus towards the end of the movie where it doesn’t necessarily know what it should be doing in it.
48:42
The evil part of that is ironically, Chad, who is, you know, a college frat boy basically.
And I while I think that’s funny, I just don’t know that it necessarily sticks the landing.
Not only that, a little too, I was thinking about it because they are like a group of like, you know, frat and sorority, you know, frat guys and sorority girls like, yeah, what, like it?
49:09
Is that even like even relevant in important colleges?
Like for like fraternities and sororities?
Like I feel like because when we were in college, like that shit was already dropping.
But I feel like now like they got to be like at like an all time low, like in like something hard to kind of connect to it, especially because again, like you think of like, are kids drinking in college these days?
49:34
Not really.
You know, they’re like, you know, like staying away from the alcohol.
So I feel like like that kind of stuff like too like the traditional, yeah.
College style, humour and stereotype might be even more outdated.
49:51
Now, yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t know about how the sororities and fraternities are are holding up now.
Let’s see, I was.
Never a part of them, but.
I’m neither was I I don’t have.
50:06
I assume they still have.
I don’t.
Sort of, you know, because they are, they serve as sort of this clique that people can migrate to.
And it’s kind of the easy way to make friends.
But yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t know how they’re they’re faring in this modern age.
50:25
I think even in 20 tens there was quite a bit of a different perspective on even college.
Culture.
Yeah, for college frat culture in general, Yeah.
With that said, I mean, I think what do, what do you think about the the scope of the theme?
50:43
You know, basically the theme itself is like why?
Well, I think it’s the theme itself, I should say, is maybe a little bit a little bit hypocritical, right, Because it’s it the idea is that don’t judge a person based on stereotypes.
51:02
Tucker and Dale being a great example, don’t judge them because they’re what’s that, a member?
Yeah, right.
It’s like don’t judge them.
They’re a great example.
Don’t judge them by, you know, the stereotype that you would see for a hillbilly type character.
At the same time, the film does kind of judge Chad right from the beginning as sort of like, oh, he’s a frat boy douche.
51:26
And at the end of the movie, what does he turn out to be?
A murderous frat boy douche.
But he’s also half hillbilly.
True, yeah.
He’s pie hillbilly.
What do you what do you think about that?
Like how do you feel about the the themes of the film?
51:42
Or are we even supposed to take them seriously?
I don’t really care.
I think it’s more just a setup for things.
I think it’s, they’re not supposed to be these, you know, Aesop’s Fables at the end of the day where you’re walking away like, well, well, I learned something today.
52:00
You shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
You know, that was evident from the set up when like, you know, the kids are driving and Tucker and Dale Dr. next to them, They got they’re drinking beer and, you know, they just, you know, so I think it’s just more about just, you know, humour and what you know, comes after that.
52:28
I think, you know, I think that’s true.
I think Tucker and Dale versus Evil really does set the humor first and foremost in the film and then kind of everything else kind of comes after.
So I think that’s probably the case.
52:43
You’re not really supposed to take the the whole theme seriously as much as it is just there to kind of circumvent this slash of tropes.
I guess with that overall, what what do you think about the the comedy of Tucker and Dale versus Evil?
Does it work as a sort of like a a parody of the slasher film that kind of upends what you would generally expect?
53:06
Is it is it unique enough to kind of set it as outside of the scope of like a normal horror parody?
Yeah, I think it works.
I definitely felt, especially compared to, you know, club dread.
I thought it was a pretty fun time.
53:26
It does have a lot of like just really subtle jokes about like, you know, it’s tying into, you know, general, you know, slasher themes, snot, you know, ham fisted with them, like you said, like with the evil dad references with the cabin and such.
53:46
So it’s like, you know, especially if you’re a horror fan and a slasher fan, you’re going to appreciate it.
You’re going to appreciate the humour, you’re going to appreciate the jokes.
But as you said, I do think that the film’s greatest failing is that third acts to where like the humor kind of just comes right to a dead stop.
54:07
And it’s, you know, the jokes aren’t as prominent and when they are, they’re not as effective as like the first two acts.
So.
But I do think it does work overall though.
Yeah, I mean, I would agree.
I think like the, I think it’s kind of a unique enough idea where it really does set it apart from some of the other slasher films and it, it does try to see things in a different perspective.
54:31
And I think that works probably about as well as it could.
And again, in 2010, it might have seemed even a little bit more, you know, unique than it does today because there’s we have to think like, you know, 15 years ago they were just that much less in terms of parodies.
54:53
It’s kind of hard to believe, but yeah, it’s been 15 years since this movie released.
So I think like, overall, I would say it works really well.
And I guess that kind of leads us to rating this film, you know, as I think we’ve exhausted some of the the other elements to it.
55:15
So on a scale of zero to 10 really generic trivia board games, which I think the the game that they play is just literally called.
Yeah, no, yeah.
No, just that’s trivia, you know?
It’s just trivia, which is hilarious, you know?
Yeah.
55:30
What would you get from Doctor Adele versus You, I’ll?
Give me a 6 1/2, I thought.
Again, I thought it was a pretty It’s a pretty fun movie.
It’s got a lot of good comedy.
It definitely, you know, has some good, you know, fun kills, smart setup, generic boring, pay off at the end.
55:57
As you were talking about, Alan Tudyk is great and so is, you know, Tyler, Tyler Levine.
They do a great job.
I would say the rest of the cast is very for them.
I would say, you know, just there, but Tucker and Dale are stars of the show and it would have been cool to have seen because I was seeing an IMDb, you know, them like, oh, like an idea for a sequel was like Tucker and Dale go to Yale.
56:25
Like, you know, like it’s going to be a goodwill hunting in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
That would have been great.
Like if this like turned out to be like a Harold and Kumar series or like a yeah, I mean, we’re like, you know, like that’d be totally fun.
56:42
It’s it’s a well made, well shot, you know, well thought out, you know, little horror, you know, comedy.
But like I said, and you said the last third where like it tries to be more serious, just fit, you know, makes the film less less enjoyable.
57:04
So 6 1/2 out of 10 I would rather just recommend it.
I would I would give it a 7 out of 10.
I think it’s, you know, a pretty fun film.
I’ve again, I, like I said, I’ve seen it 3 or 4 times at this point and every time it really never ceases to make me laugh even though I do know what’s coming.
57:21
I think that you know, the expectation of it though is, is part of the charm of the movie.
And so it works best when you haven’t seen it.
And again, it works at its best when it’s about 45 minutes through and you really are seeing the extent of the misunderstanding.
57:36
I think that’s really where the film shines.
Once it kind of has set that up up and the that’s that’s kind of pushed aside the element of like the final girl surviving and Tucker and Dale kind of stopping Chad.
57:52
I think that, you know, it’s OK, but it doesn’t have the charm that the first half of the movie has.
I do also want to point out the fact that this film has a number of the key players that also star in Hallmark Christmas movies, including Katrina Bowden.
58:13
Jalen Simmons has been in a couple, not starring but just showing up in a couple of those as well.
So it does mess around with our Hallmark movies too.
And I would say that I think like the overall the film is pretty successful as a slasher comedy that circumvents the tropes and kind of tries to do something a little bit different with the sub genre of horror parody.
58:37
And I would recommend it as well because I think it’s really funny.
I think if you’ve never seen it, it would be very funny.
If you have seen it before, it’s still funny in parts and and a lot of things are referenceable as well.
I think a lot of the the lines in here are memorable to where you might use them again.
58:55
I also want to point out too that for some reason IMDb has a pickled eggs tag, so you can search movies with pickled eggs in them as well, which is surprising and disturbing that’s people have archived all those things.
59:12
But yeah, really, that’s that’s right.
Speaking of pickled eggs.
But anyway, yes, I think Tucker and Dale is very fun.
Alan Tudix is a blast in this movie.
You should watch it if you haven’t seen it.
It is fun.
And again, I we didn’t talk about this, but how is it for a Halloween movie?
59:28
I think it’s pretty fun for a Halloween movie.
I think it’s just a kind of a fun time to throw on, you know, if you.
Not everything Halloween movie wise has to be, you know, like within the, you know, Psalm spirit, you know, Psalm when spirit.
59:43
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I, I think it’s fun.
I think it’s fun for Halloween.
So again, that’s why we did it for our special episode.
All right, well, thanks for listening to our episode on Tucker and Dale Versus Evil.
Next time we’re going to be covering another different kind of horror parody.
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I don’t know that we have it like completely locked down yet as to what the the next scheduled event will be, but I know we have a lot of stuff on the agenda I don’t.
I, I have a couple of things that I, I know I definitely want to save towards Halloween itself, like when we get really close to the holiday.
1:00:21
I also have some things that I like would be very similar to Tucker, Tucker and Dale versus evil or club dread.
And I don’t really want to cover those either.
So we’ll talk about what we want to do next for the show.
But, you know, suffice to say, we have a lot of different things that we have on the agenda for our our horror parody Halloween festivities.
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