We’re starting the Halloween season off with our first horror parody, and we wanted a soft start – and what better way than to lead out of the summer season with Club Dread, set at a resort and satirizing slasher tropes. While neither of us were completely enamored with Broken Lizard’s attempt at spoofing the usual stalker cliches, we did enjoy Bill Paxton’s antics as a Jimmy Buffet-lite musician. We’re also drinking Sierra Nevada’s new Oktoberfest collaboration with Stortebeker in this spookified episode!
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10:00-18:00 Beer talk
18:00-end Club Dread
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0:04
Cookie Walk of Halloween horror over here.
Let Let the Black Run podcast All season long, September and October will be celebrating with creaky funny our parodies.
Just bring your favourites from satirical splashes to classic parodies and even some rollback Spooks.
0:30
I’m even told Abbott and Gasolo would be rising from the dead.
Celebrate with us.
Welcome back from podcast as we dive into ha ha ha.
We welcome Black to the Blood and Black Rum podcast.
0:56
I’m your host Ryan from coldsplotation.com and I’m joined with my Co host Martin.
How’s it going?
I think instead of the creepy laugh, we should be more alike.
Oh, I can.
I can totally do that.
1:11
Do your do your like side one or something?
Hey kids.
Yeah, and for us, you know, as we’re recording, we don’t have the the ambience of everything, but there will be like split the sound effect, Halloween’s music playing in the background.
1:30
So just imagine that imagine that’s happening for, you know, for the listeners that is happening.
So we.
One or say one viewer said that our spooky sound effects during the season is OK.
Mild, mildly annoying.
1:47
Just OK yeah, it’s the one thing that sets us apart for the for the holiday seasons of the the especially the Halloween shows is the sound effects that that then, you know, you’re into the Halloween episodes of the show instead of just, you know, normal horror movie coverage.
2:03
It’s special Halloween edition.
So yeah, we’re we’re back.
It’s, you know, realize it’s only September 1st week in September, but you know what it’s Halloween season around here.
We like to, you know, basically try to fill all of September and October with our Halloween episodes.
2:21
It’s going to be one of our longest because the way the shingles just sent out.
Yeah, it’s a long, I think.
I think, yeah, I mean, and then and we’ve had other seasons where we we’ve had more movies than we could actually fit in.
So this one is interesting in that we have 9 weeks of movies to be able to do so it’s fun, fun.
2:42
I don’t even know if there’s anything else that’s going to crop up in in October because I haven’t really been following the seasonal schedule of horror movies that are releasing in October.
That’s what I’m looking for right now, yeah.
But yeah, I don’t know if anything is, is is cropping up, but we have, we have 9, basically we’ve got 9 flicks that we’re going to be covering for our new Halloween season, which we’re calling this year Ha ha, Halloween.
3:09
Oh, you know, the Guillermo does horror.
Frankenstein movie.
That’s right.
That’s right.
You want to talk about Ha ha, Halloween?
That was your idea I think, right?
Yeah, well, going 10 years in and our nine years about into this whole, making it a big old blunk for the season.
3:32
Oh, you know, listen, we’re running out of material.
You know, even though this, you know, style of film, you know, is abundant and shit, we’re running out of material.
I would say we’re, you know, we do, you do run the risk of running out of Halloween material because we’ve done a couple of seasons of actually just featuring Halloween movies.
3:57
And at a certain point, you do run out of content for Halloween movies, especially when you’re doing, you know, 7 to 8 episodes of Halloween season.
There’s only so many Halloween movies that you can actually do.
And, and we, we certainly have not hit the full scope of Halloween movies.
4:12
There’s lots more that we could do.
There’s like specials that we could do.
There’s lots of things that we could do.
So I’m not saying that we’ve run out of ideas in that regard, but we do try to like sporadically pepper those in.
So maybe next year we’ll do another Halloween movie edition, but like.
4:29
We’ve always every year, we’ve always been like, you know, like again, we did so creepy.
It’s Carpenter, yes, you know, and let’s just do an all time Carpenter films or, you know, craving some Krodenberg.
You know, we just did some, you know.
Yeah, we try to stick to the main food groups.
4:46
Halloween, right, You know, still, still make sure that they have spookiness factor, maybe a nostalgia factor or something that makes you think about Halloween.
I think in this, this iteration of the Halloween movies that we’re covering for Ha ha Halloween, we the thought was that like, you know, again, horror parodies have been something well, we’ve covered a few on the show before, but there’s something that crop up here and there that have been kind of, you know, routine throughout the years.
5:18
And I think a lot of horror parodies do get released around the Halloween season.
It’s sort of like the best time for them because people are thinking about horror movies.
And I don’t know about anybody else, but during the Halloween season, I don’t necessarily just watch horror movies because to me, horror, I watch horror all the time.
5:36
So it doesn’t necessarily equate to Halloween for me.
I try to go a bit further and I want something that actually like evokes the Halloween season or you know, nostalgia factor for Halloween, something like that.
And I feel like the horror parodies kind of evokes Halloween in a sense because I think like, if you remember back, I think Scary Movie was a big one around the time that, you know, that the Halloween when it released for Halloween, that that kind of always has reminded me of Halloween to a certain extent, you know, And I think again, like some of these parrotical slasher films just kind of evoke the sense of Halloween because they are always peppered with like the ideas of it, But when, you know, they’re also trying to do their own thing, like be a comedy as well.
6:25
So I don’t know, to me, I do get a little sense of Halloween from them.
And I think we’ve tried to to kind of encapsulate different kinds of horror parodies in the pics that we’ve done for the for the episodes that we plan on doing.
And we got a good mix.
6:40
I believe some, some that you might not think about in terms of like when you think about horror parodies, you know, we got, we got some that obviously are going to spring to mind right away, but others that you might think like, Oh yeah, I guess that is a horror parody or, or even classic ones too.
6:58
So I think I think we got a good agenda and appreciate you coming up with the, the, you know, the tag line and everything for this time.
Thank you.
It’s one of like the top five things I’ve done for the podcast.
That’s right.
That’s right.
Generally I, I do that sort of thing.
7:16
And you were kind enough to come up with the theme and the idea this year, so it was nice.
So for the first episode in Ha ha Halloween, we thought we’d start off a little bit, you know, again, because we’re, we’re sort of, you know, almost nearly 60 days out from actual Halloween, We thought we’d start like a little soft focus on Halloween.
7:39
As we get closer to the, the, the actual holiday, we’ll get progressively more Halloweeny in terms of what movies we’re covering.
But for this episode, we kind of thought that it would be nice to segue in a little bit.
So we just did red hot 90s action summer, you know, so segueing between the summer elements and into the fall and Halloween, it thought it might be nice to have sort of like in a little kind of Beachy kind of summary kind of spring breaky style thing going on.
8:11
And what came to mind for me in one movie that I had never seen before, but has all I’ve I’ve always seen it sort of recommended here and there is Broken Lizards, Club Dread.
And if you don’t know anything about Broken Lizard, they are a comedy troupe basically.
8:29
You know, kind of think of it sort of like Second City sort of thing or something like that.
And they wrote a number of films, probably the most widely recognized one being Super Troopers.
8:47
And in 2004 they released Club Dread, which was their version of a horror parody is slasher parody basically.
And coming out about four years after Scary Movie really made a debut for horror parodies and kind of kicked things off and unfortunately kicked off a number of really shitty parody sequels or, you know, ideas about centered around doing other styles of film.
9:16
You know, I think that Club Dread kind of hit in a really specific window of time, as we’ll probably talk about as we get further into the the episode.
But Club dread, have you ever, had you ever seen it before?
Heard of it?
I’ve heard of it, I’ve seen like bits and piece of it back in the day, like on TV randomly.
9:36
Probably like Comedy Central.
Yeah, I bet you this is a Comedy Central style thing where they would edit it heavily and then.
Put it on TV.
Yeah.
Fun fact, I didn’t know this They but they Broken Lizard as a comedy troupe they formed in 89 at Colgate which is near us so you know.
9:59
Interesting.
I didn’t know that.
I didn’t know that they were such old dudes, no.
Just but, but yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s it’s a movie.
I I know of.
It’s not anything I’ve ever gone out of my way to see.
I am and I will preface it.
10:17
I am a big Super Troopers fan.
Think it’s a great movie.
Fun facts.
Saw that on rental with my mom and dad.
Don’t know why they rented it.
Don’t know why they had 12 year old Martin watching it with them.
Especially because my mom is not one at all for you know, gross out comedies.
10:39
You know, one of you went to go see Knocked Up in theaters back in O 5.
She was like, this is grotesque.
They’re saying testicles like, you know, And she’s thought the one fun part was like, Leslie Mann’s like talking to the kids.
She’s like, it’s fun.
But yeah.
10:56
And I’ve seen beer fast and that has also been on Comedy Central billion times.
So hey, decent hopes for this movie.
Yeah, I, I mean, the only thing I’ve really, I knew about it is that it was a, you know, a comedy slasher film and it was, it came fairly recommended.
11:19
I’ve seen a lot of people say that they really enjoyed Club Dread.
I think they’re, I’ve seen a few people saying like they wish there was a sequel to Club Dread, stuff like that.
And so, you know, again, I seen Super Troopers one time, I thought it was OK.
11:34
I didn’t really see the fuss.
And again, too, I think it, it kind of depends on when you you see it because I was probably like 30 years old when I saw it.
I know a lot of, you know, friends and classmates probably saw it when they were like 15 and probably saw it had a really different, you know, experience with something like that.
11:54
It’s the same idea with something like, which I haven’t been back to since I saw it ages ago, is a bit like something like Van Wilder.
How?
Dare you waiting?
How dare you?
Some of those movies.
OK, listen, I I’m going to stop you right there.
12:13
Super Troopers is better than that shit.
Well, I’m just saying, but.
Club dread, I say block club dread, right up in the waiting and you know, yeah, accepted.
And Van Wilder, you know, line of mid 2000s National Lampoon’s knock off comedy.
12:34
Yeah.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying is it’s kind of in that same wheelhouse.
And I feel like, you know, depending on when you saw it, you might have a far different experience of what you think about it, especially like nostalgia factor and things like that.
12:52
So again, I don’t really have any experience with club dread whatsoever.
So we’re kind of coming into it fresh.
It’s my first time seeing it and we’ll kind of take it from there and see what we thought of this horror parody.
And then we’ll then we’ll talk about how good it is for Halloween and all that jazz when we come back.
13:10
Because first, we do need to talk bigger and we need to talk about.
Pros.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pros.
So I think if you’ve been following our, you know, our Halloween episodes previously or what we generally do on here, oh, we try to do a good mix of Oktoberfest styles, merit sins and fest beers.
13:35
I say that and then also, you know, themed beers as well.
So we try to get kind of like the themed spooky beers on here.
Maybe the rare, maybe the rare sighter, you know that goes.
The rare sight?
That’s right.
Maybe try to find that Angry Orchard Jason Insider this year.
13:52
I don’t know.
So we try to do a good mix.
And actually most years now we’ve had it like I want to say like two or three years in a row now, we try to get Sierra Nevada’s Oktoberfest on here because they have been, and I think this is, you know, fairly new to them.
14:12
They have been trying to do collaborations with different German breweries each year for their Oktoberfest.
And I should say also, their style is specifically a fest beer style.
They’ve been doing collaborations with all kinds of German breweries, probably ones you’ve never even heard of.
14:30
You know, the I, I think that’s been the case for the most part when I’ve seen any of their new beers drop.
And you know, they’ve always got a different collaboration.
I’m like, never heard of that brewery before, but that’s really cool.
And I like that idea because Sierra Nevada is bringing awareness to some of these other German breweries that you will just never hear of or there’s no imports for.
14:52
And it’s just a cool little element to their Oktoberfest that we try to get every year.
So this year they’ve done a collaboration with Stort the Baker, which is a that’s how you say it, man.
That’s how you say it.
That’s like, you know, nearly 100% perfect German pronunciation.
15:11
I don’t.
Brahmin factor.
There’s there’s no, there’s no improvement on pronouncing that.
And again, this is another brewery that I’ve really never heard of Storta Beaker.
Have you ever heard of it before?
No, no.
And in fact, trying to look up stuff on like the old Google isn’t really turning Munch up outside of their collab with.
15:37
Sierra Nevada, right.
So kind of put them on the map a little.
Yeah.
And I again, that’s the really cool thing.
You know, Sierra Nevada is kind of using their their no their name and, you know, reach to kind of get these different breweries out there.
15:53
So I really love when they come out with this collaboration.
I kind of wish they would do others.
That would be really cool.
You know, think about them doing like, you know, a Black Forest style beer with a collaboration or something like that, you know?
There’s not enough hops for that.
I know it’s just I’d, you know, I would be interested in seeing them do something else like that.
16:13
I would too.
I mean, like, that’s one of the sad things about Saradak.
It’s one of their best beers and now it’s relegated every three years.
Like, hey guys, remember the Black Force were putting that out.
Isn’t that good?
I know one of the problems that I have with the collaborations though is that I find it really hard to remember back to last year and be like, because I have so many Oktoberfests throughout the season, I find it really hard to remember back and be like, yes, this one is 25% better than last year’s.
16:43
I really, you know, I I am not a good enough tester and taster to be able to do that.
What I will say is I think this best beer is really solid.
You know, again, like pretty much every Sierra Nevada Oktoberfest that I’ve had, it’s very crisp.
16:59
It’s got a nice bready character to it where it’s not, but it’s not overpowering to kind of push it into that super multi biscuity of Merton style.
This is nice and refreshing light lager style got a nice good character to it.
17:17
I think the hops are pretty pronounced in it as well.
Nice, you know, solid light mouth feel to it, very sessionable, very drinkable.
And in fact, I’ve been sessioning them pretty much since probably mid August because this is my second 12 pack of this collaboration.
17:37
And not only that, but we’ve we’ve also definitely talked about this.
I do love the cans.
The cans are awesome.
Your black and orange German Oktoberfest style flag represented I, I love it.
I love the cans.
Perfect for Halloween too because that you know, the black and orange.
17:54
So everything about the cans.
I love beers great too.
Another solid collaboration.
Really no notes for me.
I think it’s a really great fest beer style.
How about you?
Like it a lot.
It’s another win from Sierra Nevada.
It’s really cool that, yeah, a brewery that’s basically known for turning out nothing but high-powered Ipas, you know, takes the time when Oktoberfest comes around to pair up with a German brewery and, you know, do a fest beer.
18:30
Like I said, not familiar with the, you know, the brewery this time around, but that’s fine.
You know, it’s like really cool too.
Excuse me for all we know, maybe they are big in Germany.
You don’t know, but you know, but it’s you know, it’s very you know, it’s drinkable got a nice light brightness to it very smooth, you know, crisp it’s 6% doesn’t feel like it.
19:01
You know, it’s kind of high and heavy for for the style, but it’s very good and is another one of the put into the pantheon of great fest beers to have during the season.
Tastes like falling glass.
So yeah, definitely try it.
19:21
Can’t say enough.
Like I don’t think we, as you said, can I remember every year now, like the past five years that they’ve been doing this or whatever.
No.
But at the same time, when it’s, you know, when they do it, it’s great.
And you know, yeah, try it.
19:39
It’s going to be available nationally, so.
Yep, Yep, solid fest beer style especially too, because you know, not not everyone’s making the fest beer style.
It’s it’s nice to kind of portion those out between your meritsons and your fest beers.
19:56
I I do appreciate that too.
So, and especially considering how expensive getting an imported fest beer style can be at this time, it’s.
Well worth it to try Sierra Nevadas and and get in there.
Which is sad.
20:13
Would you like to see Sierra, Sierra Nevada tackling American style?
Because I don’t know that they ever have.
I think they’ve always done the best.
Yeah, No, I would, I think again like it’s even like breweries that make like, you know, big Ipas like they do.
20:31
I think it’s you got to show that you’re more than just an IPA artist.
You guys like, you know, I think it’s really telling if a Brewer and you know, master Brewer and a brewery if they can do like the heavy NAIPA, the double NAIPA, but also, you know, a Czech pilsner too, because they’re so different.
20:54
So like again, I think they could do a damn good style of it.
So and I would like I said, even if it’s not good, I want them to try it because again like be adventurous in your sense of like you know what you’re doing.
Like as much as we love NYPAS, God damn.
21:11
Like you can only reinvent the wheel and re engineer a hop so many times before it’s like OK, that one’s red grapefruit.
This one’s, you know, Persian sweet, tart grapefruit.
And so So yeah, I, I would definitely welcome it.
21:28
And they’re big enough too to kind of just do it and see what the fuck happens.
Sure.
You know, they, they, you know, if it doesn’t sell well, they’ll try again next year or, you know, throw it into the dustbin of time.
So.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
All right.
So club trend.
21:45
Hold on, broken lizards.
Yes, Hydra, I got to stop doing that.
Make sure to give the comedy troupe their due here because yes, you’re you’re actually are correct in the fact that like so, you know, with John Carpenter’s things, you know, he was primarily the one working on it, writing it, making, you know, music for it and doing all that stuff here.
22:07
It is important to attribute all of it to Broken Lizard because I think pretty much everybody in the comedy troupe was included as a writer on this film.
So it makes sense to actually call it Broken Lizards Club Dread to kind of give everybody in the writing room the credit that went into the script.
22:30
Because I do think that that was kind of part of the ideas.
Probably they they my guess is that these guys sat down, probably drank a few beers, maybe smoke some weed and then, you know, worked on the script.
Like just like shouting things out is my, you know, from watching this film is kind of my understanding of how club dread might have been written, which can be a good or bad thing.
22:57
So let’s talk about that.
So Club Dread again, 2004, which I commented on this previously, but about four years after Scary Movie released, you know, again, at this time, Club Dread was kind of in the middle of when all of this, those satirical films started coming out.
23:16
So yet, you know, Scary Movie in 2000 really set things in motion.
And then more towards the end of the 2000s, 2007, 2008 area, scary movie had really proliferated and like they were churning out sequels left and right to it.
23:33
And not only that, but they were like green lighting all kinds of things like epic movie, which I, I subjected you to in movie theaters.
There was like disaster movie.
Superhero movie.
Superhero movie.
23:48
Like all of these movies where they were basically trying to follow the scary movie format, but for different types of films, none of them being good ideas.
And, and I think like Club Dread, we have to kind of situate in between that area.
24:07
It wasn’t necessarily the first one to do this slasher style of the 2000s, but it wasn’t also the last one to do it.
It it was kind of somewhere in the middle.
And again, too, it was just a few years out from the Broken Lizards, Super Troopers, which did go on to have some pretty critical, well, maybe not critical, popular success with fans.
24:33
And so I think that was sort of the, you know, the impetus between Super Troopers and then Club Dread in 2004.
Now Club Dread is a pretty traditional slasher ask parody.
I would say that it runs a lot closer to something like a, you know, a traditional slasher then scary movie, which kind of satirized a lot of different elements of horror movies.
25:01
This one is situated on one particular element, which would be the slasher film and it kind of just runs with that throughout its runtime.
I don’t think it really tries to adopt any other type of horror movie and it, you know, it’s slasher is really it’s it’s element that it’s trying to do from from that perspective.
25:24
What do you think about trying to satirize the slasher in 2004?
Is it, you know, thinking back at the time, is, is that a unique idea or has it already been done way too much by the Time Club Dread release?
Well, unfortunately, Scream beat the dead budge.
25:44
True, true.
You’re counting Scream as sort of like a horror parody or satire?
Well.
You know, it’s it’s, it’s not a parody.
It is a satire, though.
It is definitely, you know, again, it’s one of the original like meta contextual films out there.
26:05
So like, you know, we’ve already had kind of that kind of, I think there’s been a bunch like a different like, you know.
You’re saying this discussion has already been had about the meta texture?
It’s not that, it’s that because again, this is a decade later.
26:21
So you’d think after, especially with like during that time period saw and like a lot of those remakes that were coming out of the time, the Texas James saw a massacre and such, you’d have something like more.
It’s a kind of chew on that’s newer for satire.
26:43
And I don’t really think this film works well as a satire or as a parody.
I think it’s very disjointed and disinterested in like even exploring it.
27:02
It’s just a bunch of and again, this is coming from somebody who loves Super Troopers and Beer Fest.
And I like, I’m not saying all juvenile Dick joke humor is bad.
Like the whole setup is nonsense and then the whole comedic factor for this film is very boring and stupid.
27:30
It doesn’t really fit.
What the Hell’s going on?
So you’re saying then that you you.
So do you think that Club Dread takes itself with maybe a little bit too seriously as a slasher film?
No, but it’s also like just filled with such stupid shit.
27:47
It’s like, not even like, like it’s, it’s the the ideas in this film are the ideas of people who got too stoned and thought something that was funny when they were stoned was really funny.
Like having, yeah.
28:03
Like having, you know, Jay Chanda Kashar, I’m sorry if I butcher his last name is like, oh, you’re going to be this Rastafarian English guy like who plays tennis stupid.
It’s not funny that whole sticking like, and he’s a funny guy.
28:21
That whole sticking bit isn’t fucking funny at all.
It’s stupid.
Like, like, it’s just like all the characters and they’re like, the only standout is fucking Bill Paxton, as you know, $7.00 Jimmy Buffett.
28:38
You know, so I’d like and I I definitely get what you’re saying.
I think, you know, some of some of the ideas in club dread do feel like they were and that’s kind of why I said with the script writing kind of just thrown out there, right, Like they’re like literally in the script writing process.
28:55
I feel like they were just all sitting down throwing out ideas and that was an idea.
Have Jay Chandrasekar as a Rastafarian dude and that kind of proliferated through the script.
And I definitely agree with you.
29:11
Like I feel like comedy in some ways is a there’s a risk involved in comedy.
It was just like sometimes the writers thought it was a really funny idea, but it didn’t really translate well when it when it actually hit film.
29:28
Not only sometimes a risky idea can be really funny and it just pays off.
And I think like there’s always that give and take on what will be the payoff for an audience.
I think, I think the ideas here are way too much in the you’re at an improv and like what are we going to improv?
29:47
Like it just doesn’t work.
Do you think that Club Drive is is heavily improv?
You don’t think so?
It doesn’t really give the vibes.
On that I didn’t.
I didn’t really think so either.
But I mean, again, like the idea, like the ideas for characters and stuff, it’s like you’d be an improv show and it’s like Craig Proops, that’s what.
30:08
You’re saying?
You know, what am I going to be?
You’re going to be a real Stefaur, you know.
OK, what about?
What about you?
I’m a Swedish massagist, and when I touch you, you blow your load.
Hilarious.
Yeah, aren’t we?
30:24
Having fun.
I definitely I definitely see what you’re saying it.
It almost feels like an, you know, an SLSNL skit that has been gone on way too long.
And I definitely, I’m not going to lie, I I agree with you 100% that club dried.
30:40
I think especially at an hour and 44 minutes is a very long horror parody that does suffer from the fact that it feels like it was a 15 minute sketch idea that ran far longer than it really should.
30:59
And I think like I, I definitely understand like some of the ideas behind this because when you think you, you kind of got to think back to this is a movie of its time for sure.
Oh yeah, two 2000s era like this time frame.
This movie definitely has all of those elements that a 2000 air slasher would have, and I would say that those elements have not aged well.
31:26
We, you know, we, we did episodes on the 90 slasher films.
We haven’t really done a, a huge number of OO slashers, but we, you know, we’ve covered a few and it when you think back on some of those slashers, like there are elements to them that are really have not aged well in, at least in my opinion.
31:45
They they all have a very specific type of vibe, and that vibe does not necessarily equate to like contemporary elements of film.
Or fun.
Yeah, I mean, they all had a very like similar style to them.
32:03
There was, you know, the spring break sort of aesthetic, which when you think about slasher films, I think the 2000s kind of took it to its extreme.
And Club Dread is no different where it tries to imagine sort of like a MTV spring break break from the 2000s where they you’re basically are getting all these Spring Breakers together in this club and then basically saying like this is sort of like a swinging sex club.
32:31
Everybody could do this, you could do drugs.
You know, we’ve got a dude who’s just like shelling out ecstasy here and there, you know, and it’s sort of got that spring break vibe to it, which is not super different from some of the slasher films of the OOS.
I’m thinking something like Hatchet, which has its literally has New Orleans spring break at the beginning of the film.
32:52
Other films at that time would have like lots of like nudity or, you know, elements to that regard.
It’s not super different.
And, you know, when you kind of think back on it, it’s not really reminiscent of a slasher film whatsoever.
33:10
You know, slasher films often, you know, especially from the 70s and 80s, were known for the sexual content of them, right?
Like the nudity, the proliferation of sex, especially either underage or like premarital sex.
33:25
And that being an impetus for this, the killing itself, you know, like sex equals death in that regard.
But at the same time, they weren’t like sex crazed, hormone driven, your Spring Breakers like films like Club Dread like to showcase.
33:46
Nor were they extremely drug addled either.
You know, there might have been some weed here and there, but films from the 2000s, especially Club Dread, they treat weed and getting high like it’s some edgy, you know, you know, on the on the, you know, crazy illegal side.
34:10
And it’s funny to watch now.
And it’s like, you know, my 5 year old can probably go get a prescription for some weed and treat ADHD.
You know, it’s not.
I was going to say, well, say like even more so like they’re like just booze crews.
Like they’re just totally obliterated on booze the entire time, which has fallen out of favour and.
34:29
Yeah.
And I, I think that’s part of like the what you’re saying too has fallen out of favour.
You know, when you watch some of these movies, I do think that there is a very, you know, even in the scope of like 20 years, things have changed significantly where it kind of seems almost juvenile now where like, they’re talking about how much they’re smoking weed and it’s like, yeah, I mean, I, I take an edible before work.
34:56
I.
Or to say or to say or how much pussy they’re getting.
Like, yeah, like everyone’s just fucking around here.
And it’s like, this is all really weird and, you know.
Yeah.
And it’s not helped either by the mid 2000s wardrobe.
35:13
No one looks hot wearing like anything from the mid 2000s.
Yeah, the tube top and bikini combo and stuff like that.
I mean, and I’m not saying that I think club dread is exceptionally juvenile or like we’re, you know, arbiters of of comedy in that regard.
35:32
Like, whoa, you know, that was a little bit too offensive.
I don’t think club drive is really offensive at all, to be honest with you.
Maybe a couple of, you know, somewhat like racist jokes or things like that.
But other than that, you know.
They’re not even that.
They’re not even that bad.
35:48
Like the same thing.
Like like like the yeah, homophobic jokes.
They’re not even lying.
Actually, I think the homophobic jokes are more at the expense of like the dudes who you would think of being like homophobic.
Yeah, but I mean, but I mean, again, at the same like you said, at the same time though, the whole like, oh, when they’re hugging, they’re like, oh, it’s too gay.
36:04
Like, you know, it’s not, it’s, you know, it’s nothing really.
But it’s also, it’s not, you know?
Yeah, I mean I.
Think super great, say it’s not super funny.
But again, if you were living in the times like a millennial or Gen.
X, you know, like, yeah, don’t be gay.
36:20
Don’t be gay, you know, so you know what I mean?
Like, like the film’s not offensive.
I’m not going to sit here and say like this film is like, you know, it’s this big anti woke piece of shit.
Like it’s, it’s none of that.
36:37
It’s just a piece of its time.
It’s like watching, it’s like watching Harold and Kumar.
Now, sure, if you were to watch it with blind eye, you know, virgin eyes and ears, you’d be like, well, that’s something.
But I feel like if you were to watch it in 2004 or 5 when it came out, depending on like how that humor hits you, you know, that’s going to be the, you know, the determination factor.
37:05
I am well aware of.
Like again, out of all, like, as you said, like out of all the types of films and genres, comedies, the one that’s the most malleable and doesn’t stand the test of time because a lot of it’s very within the time.
37:21
So I’ve accepted that films that I think are hilarious aren’t going to be hilarious to other people.
I, you know, like, you know, like something like Blazing Saddles, I imagine a lot of people would be, you know, greatly offended by that film hilarious though.
37:37
So I mean, and this is like kind of, and this is definitely one of those films.
It’s of a totally of it’s time style mid 2000s humor.
I just doesn’t.
I don’t think it works overall though, because again, I think they’re too all over the place in their ideas and what they’re doing.
37:56
And yeah, and I was, I was going to say, I do think, unfortunately for Club Dread, that while the the humor isn’t like offensive or anything, it’s just not that funny to me.
It it, it doesn’t always work.
And I feel like, again, that could be partially because of its time, partially for things that we’ve already, you know, we’ve seen in the meantime.
38:20
But I don’t really find the film that funny.
And that’s kind of my problem with Super Troopers as well as that I never really found it all that funny.
And with the the problem with Super Troopers is if you don’t find it funny, that’s like the extent of the movie.
At least with Club Dread, you do have a slasher element to it that will hopefully add a little bit more excitement and you know, something to watch for besides the humor, because at least they’re you know, they’re kind of splitting the two focuses a little bit.
38:54
So I think like from that perspective, club dread works a little bit better.
And I will say I agree with you.
I think Bill Paxton is definitely the highlight here because he just is whenever he’s on screen, you get this like doesn’t give a shit attitude that he’s greatly really leaning into that, you know, Jimmy Buffett esque role.
39:13
I love that they re recorded.
They basically rewrote Jimmy Buffett songs and had Bill Paxton sing it and record it in a, you know, basically remake remake a bunch of Jimmy Buffett songs with nonsense lyrics.
I think that’s go ahead.
39:30
As I was saying again, if you didn’t get the joke, that one part of the chick strong is like sing Margaritaville and he’s like, that wasn’t me.
You’re thinking of pina colada.
Whatever the hell.
Pina colada bird.
And he’s like, she’s like, no, no sing Mark.
39:50
And again, I think, you know, that’s sort of like, you know, that’s again, another example of where they lean into the joke maybe a little bit too hard, you know, bring it to a place that doesn’t necessarily need to be brought is like when, you know, we get the joke, we get the gist of it right.
40:06
We we understand that he’s Jimmy Buffett light.
We don’t need to be beaten over the head with the fact that he’s Jimmy Buffett.
So.
So with that being said, with a couple of coconut Petevilles, what’s Coconut Pete serving up that his lower rent TGIF Friday’s knock off like like a Margaritaville.
40:36
Yeah, I mean, he’s serving up some sort of pina colada mixture, and with the coconut, he’s like quit because there’s that whole scene where Bill Paxton is like.
What do I put in this drink?
And they’re like, I don’t know, what do you put in there?
Coconut Pete?
He’s like.
It’s in my name.
Yeah, it’s Coke.
40:51
And then chucks the coconut again.
I love that I I think that Bill Paxton does a great job leading into the role and just like having fun.
This is probably a vacation for him to be honest with you.
They probably just said Bill we somehow secured funding for.
41:09
This movie, well, it’s the same thing with like Brian Cox and Super Troopers is like.
It’s.
Like fest me and just stand up for the game.
Exactly.
And and and the trip too, right?
Like, you know it, it seems like he’s just leaning in having fun.
And I love that about it because I think that’s like the most charming part of Club Drive.
41:29
And yeah, I would say it’s probably some sort of pina colada, coconut type drink.
They probably can’t call it pina colada because of rights reasons or something like that.
So they call it coconut pizza penis colada.
I do love to there’s there’s this whole story like because Club Dread definitely does recognize its slasher formula and it leans into that quite a bit.
41:56
So you have the old, you know, opening sequence, which you know, has the initial kill sequence.
And then everybody coming kind of setting up the idea of like, here’s your your cast of characters that you kind of dislike.
There’s a story that’s told on the beach, which kind of sets the tone for the mythology of the slasher kind of straight out of your classic flasher films.
42:23
And they talk about this guy Machete, Machete Pete, I think his name is.
Is that a Machete Phil?
I think, yeah, Machete.
Sorry, Machete Phil.
And you know how he accidentally cuts his Dick off outlaw, like sleep away camp sort of thing.
42:41
And I love that his name, they name him Machete Phil, but his name is like Phil Coletti.
He’s like Machete Coletti is like so much better.
I don’t I don’t understand why they didn’t go with the rhyme there.
But again, you know, writer’s board, I don’t know, but I do like the fact that the film leans into the slasher tropes.
43:03
It definitely they’re they do know to some extent and they do try to to force in some references to slasher.
Like I said, sleep away camp probably be a lesser known slasher film that they’ve they’ve kind of gotten in here, especially with when you know, especially with the two guys pull their pants down and they, you know, they tuck their penis in between their legs.
43:28
Very similar to sleep wake camp, you know, with the idea of like missing genitalia and and Gentilly that you don’t expect to be there.
I also love how they have that Friday 13th reference in there, you know, where the killer just won’t die at the end and jumps out of the water and kind of tries to take her under straight out of like the ending of Friday 13th.
43:50
It’s a nice inclusion.
So I think like the the ideas there to reference slasher films from the past.
I don’t know that it does a great job of the slasher element though.
What do you what do you think about the whole setup of the slasher?
44:08
Pedantic and boring.
It’s the kills are vary by the number, not really that, you know, entertaining or eye popping in the overall idea like to how they get to the killer.
44:30
Excuse me, ends up being so roundabout and stupid, which I understand is kind of the point.
Yeah, but I mean it’s there’s no real fun in like trying to figure out like who’s the killer?
Why are you doing it?
So I mean, it wasn’t the slasher aspect I didn’t find to be entertaining really at all.
44:56
Yeah, I mean, I think part of the problem is that the film’s kind of joke about the killings is that they’re predicated on something stupid, you know?
So that’s, that’s the idea behind the joke.
But then it’ll it ultimately ends up being like not really worth it for the audience to engage with the actual killings and to try to figure out who the slasher is.
45:20
I think that ends up hurting the movie a little bit because there’s not at least a a good wrap up.
Like if when you think about the best parodies or sort of like horror slasher films that are meta critical of themselves, there is always, you know, at least a kind of a good reason for the slasher, even though it might not take itself extremely seriously.
45:44
I feel like Club Dread kind of misses out on that.
You know, it makes a joke about it and then it doesn’t really.
It doesn’t really force the viewer to engage in any of the characters.
Not.
Only let’s say not only that the two like the joke is kind of funny, like the whole like he wouldn’t give me any weed and it’s like and it’s really a dumbass reason to have this whole adventure set of foot.
46:11
But it’s kind of it’s kind of a funny idea.
But the fact that he’s like, wait, no, is because of the whole Pete was selling the island and to that idiot and I I like it like it when they go from like the stupid idea to the tried and true by the lines, like no, by sorry, by the numbers like idea.
46:35
It ruins the joke and it’s not like it kills it and it’s not like, OK, cool.
Like was you a band able to guess that throughout the film?
No, it’s like that’s picked up on like twice in the movie.
So like it’s just really stupid and like as a joke and it doesn’t work at all and as satire doesn’t work all either.
46:59
Yeah, I and I think like the idea, like you said, that the film doesn’t OfferUp even the element of a motive until very late in the film.
You know, there’s no really no opportunity to have a guest.
It’s it’s all kind of to to make a joke, to make the point of the joke.
47:19
And I think that part of the problem with Club Dried 2 is that it it relies too much on trying to make a joke that maybe would have been funny if like a very small part of the movie.
47:36
But to like extend it for an hour and 40 minutes is is definitely painful at times.
I think like club dread would have just been a much better movie if it had been like 30 minutes long, right?
Because it this feels like a movie that would just got completely out of control.
47:55
There was probably just, you know, again, the idea was like, oh, what if it we, you know, there was a vacation series.
This is kind of the same idea between like the new Happy Madison movies where Adam Sandler’s basically has Netflix fund as vacations, you know, where they basically just say, like, what if we shot in like Cabo, right?
48:15
And they’re in Netflix is like, yeah, what’s the what’s the idea behind it is like, we’ll figure we’ll figure it out when we get there, right?
And I’d like to bring Kevin James as well.
Like the whole, it’s like the whole idea behind the new Adam Sandler movies for Netflix.
And, you know, more power to him.
He’s really taking advantage of that Netflix money.
48:32
But the same idea kind of stems from club dread is like we’ll take a vacation, we’ll do a spring bring breaky type thing and we’ll have a lot of fun, But we don’t really have a a good plot line and we’re just going to wing it for an hour and 40 minutes.
48:49
It’s just way too long.
The jokes are just extend too long.
Like you said, I don’t think that the the kills are really anything to write home about either, which is unfortunate because that’s probably where club dread could have shined a little bit better is to like actually have some unique or authentic kills, you know, maybe practical kills, but most of the time it’s just like a machete slash to the chest, you know, machete slash.
49:23
It’s kind of boring.
It just ends up being not really that interesting to watch and you know, peppered with some milk toast comedy.
I don’t know that it ends up working very well.
49:39
So I would say that’s a great word to describe this film as milk.
Toast and I definitely, you know, I I definitely got the feeling towards the end of the movie.
I was, I was very fatigued by the end especially, you know, the joke is kind of like, oh, the killer just won’t die.
Like it’s just he’s just so motivated.
49:56
He’s just, you know, he just will not quit.
And that’s kind of like it’s not even a joke anymore really.
You know, maybe in 2004 that was a little bit of a joke of like the killer won’t quit.
But now that’s just like a a thing.
50:11
Like you look back at our episode on I know what you did last summer from, you know, the the the recent remake or week will or whatever you want to call it.
Like that’s just a thing in that movie.
The killer just won’t die.
They just won’t stop.
Just like give it, give up the ghost already.
Just quit it.
You know, like at a certain point, I think audiences are ready to just throw in the towel and be like, OK, all right, just stop.
50:34
This is this is going on too long.
I think club dread reaches that point.
I did not at the end it, the conclusion was just too foregone, took way too long.
I don’t know, I it just it fell flat for me and I didn’t really appreciate that.
50:51
It just kept going on and on and on without much pay off to it.
I think the only thing that I found kind of interesting was once they get into the boat and they’re kind of like wrapping the rope around the guy and kind of pulling him into the dock.
I thought that was kind of cool.
51:06
You know, I had like nice practicality to it, you know, a nice visible gore to it.
I thought that was kind of neat.
But other than that, I was kind of done with the film just kind of reiterating its theme over and over again.
51:25
And not like, not only that, I think we, you know, we talked about this a little bit, but like the the slasher element to it, that the the whole idea behind Pete, you know, coconut Pete giving away the island to his nephew and this dude taking offence to that, the killer taking offence and killing all the other councillors.
51:45
It doesn’t even make any really any sense.
Like when you really stop and think about the whole setup.
So I think again, that that to me really is kind of off putting in terms of I wish the film had maybe taken itself a little bit serious in terms of like how it represented the slasher elements because I think that could have at least alleviated some of the the comedy elements that just didn’t work for it.
52:15
But yeah, I guess I think, I think, I mean, I think that’s it.
That’s all I got for club training.
Anything else you want to discuss?
Titties.
There are a lot of them.
The first What do you think of?
What do you think of the titties?
Well, you know, we got Jordan Laddin here as Penelope or Penelope and I think this, you know, she’s she’s pretty good in here.
52:38
She would actually star in the Cabin Fever, the Eli Roth film, and I think she’s pretty good here.
You know, I think that the film.
52:55
Hidden Bazoom bus.
I think the film leans into the the 2000s era titties titty drops.
Oh.
Way too much.
In fact, the.
Into and I would say into a point where it’s not even like it’s like OK.
53:13
It’s like a girl’s gone wild, sort of.
Yeah, like, you know, like it’s not even like really parody.
It’s like, you know, and I got got poor Brittany Daniel.
I can’t see her without being Brandy and Joe Dirt.
That’s like just going to be forever and great my skull, no matter what role she’s playing.
53:34
Yeah, again, I think this is this another just a example of the jokes just running along too long.
And even that can be translated to nudity, too.
Like at a certain point, the nudity just kind of like, blends into the background and you’re like, OK, there’s another topless woman whenever, which is saying something, you know, surprising.
54:03
I mean, I do the only running gag that I think I really like.
You know, again, it boils down to Bill Paxton.
I like the idea of coconut beet.
I think it works pretty well.
I love the songs I love leaning into like the fact that he does not remember writing that song about the stone crab.
54:22
I think those are the again, those are the only times where club dread really works.
And God bless Bill Paxton, you know, lost him too soon.
But you know, I love I love that he’s in this and kind of in on the joke.
And I’ve I’ve also read that Jimmy Buffett was also in on the joke that they did show him the movie and he loved the idea of a low rent Jimmy Buffett character in the movie and apparently also played a few of the songs and his concerts.
54:54
So.
All I can think of anytime I think of Jimmy Buffett is a South Park episode where they have Kyle and Cartman have AIDS.
We couldn’t get we couldn’t get Elton John to play your AIDS benefit concert.
55:14
So we got Jimmy Bluffet and Cartman’s like, oh, mother fucker.
And he comes out and he’s like AIDS burger in paradise.
So nice.
I play it twice.
But like, you know, hilarious because the end of that episode’s hilarious because you find out the cure to AIDS with Matt Johnson is just inject all your money.
55:38
And they got at the very end of the episode after they found the cure to AIDS is just inject all your money into some asshole white guy in a in a Land Rover pulls up into some African countries.
Like, hey, we found the cure to AIDS.
All you have to do is inject all your money into you.
55:54
Wow, that drives away.
Oh God, hilarious watch.
Little bit, little bit funnier than Club Dread is, is that what you’re saying?
So much funnier.
All right, so I guess you got to give.
56:12
Well, actually, no, before we give it a rating.
What for a Halloween film?
What?
How would you, you know, what would you put Club Dread would Is it a movie you should watch for Halloween?
Is it something that you should skip?
56:27
No, skip it.
It’s like a poor man’s Dead Island, which I still haven’t played 10 years, 1215 years later.
I’m just it’s just there.
I can’t recommend it.
56:43
It doesn’t have a Halloween aesthetic that would make you want.
No, and it’s not funny and it’s not good as a satire, and it’s not good as a slasher either.
So it’s all all muddled.
Yeah, I would agree.
I mean, I don’t really think it’s good for Halloween.
56:58
It’s not really like none of the aesthetic is That’s it for Halloween.
There’s nothing here, you know, that would make you nostalgic for Halloween.
No, it’s not that great for Halloween.
Are we included here only because it is a horror parody and we have not done it So.
57:16
But yeah, I would not recommend it for like, a Halloween watch or anything like that.
All right, so let’s rate the film on a scale of zero to 10 pleasure points where it’s going to get messy, which it was probably the only line I found quite funny.
57:33
And he was holding the killer’s pleasure point and having him orgasm.
He says.
You, you want to get out of here.
It’s going to get messy.
That just sounds awful.
I thought that.
Was pretty funny just being held in the position like.
Yeah, that was like my my one, my 1 scene where I was like, oh OK, that was pretty fun.
57:55
What would you give club Tree?
A 4 1/2 out of 10.
I was incredibly bored by this film.
I thought it was a terribly boring film and I just wasn’t engaged at all.
58:11
I didn’t think it was funny.
It didn’t think it hit the mark at all when it came to the satire, the humor and what the hell is going on.
There’s some fun ideas here like, you know, Z level Jimmy Buffett would play by Bill Paxton, but the overall I ideas and story here are very minimal and not really anything worth giving a shit about.
58:44
It’s just bland.
It’s just a very pedantic and boring film.
And it’s the worst thing that you can say about a movie is that it’s just there and that it’s boring because there’s nothing here that’s I would say you should like outside the Bill Paxton to go and watch this film.
59:03
Stay away from it.
It’s definitely a very poor mid 2000s Stoner comedy, 4 1/2.
Yeah, I would give it, I guess I would give it like a 5 1/2.
I mean, I found it moderately enjoyable.
59:19
I think that has a minor element of comedy that works.
But and again too, I feel like I was able to kind of set it into this 2000s era that maybe put me into a mindset to enjoy it just a little bit more.
But I do think that it’s really not that funny of a movie and the slasher parody elements to it are really not that smart or intelligent, especially considering what had already come before it in terms of like actual horror movies that were metacritical of the slasher films.
59:53
The the best part of the movie by far is Bill Paxton.
You know his character and just how he leans into the role.
Is probably part of the best, I think to the the fact that the the slasher, the the actual killer does not really have an iconic look to him hurts this film.
1:00:12
You know, there’s no real element of suspense generated because he’s kind of a figureless killer overall, you know, I, I think this movie is OK.
It’s definitely not that funny and not that spooky and it kind of fails at both things that it sets out to do, but it’s moderately entertaining.
1:00:40
I would probably just recommend it if somebody wants to get high or drunk and just watch a movie.
But in terms of like actually sitting down and trying to enjoy this movie, like solo or just individually watching the movie, it’s really tough recommend.
I I I wouldn’t, and it’s definitely not a great movie to watch for Halloween, that’s for sure.
1:01:01
I guess I would, you know, this is I’m 0 for two on broken lizard movies.
I I don’t really find super troopers that funny either.
So I don’t know, I guess take that with a grain of salt if you do find broken lizard funny, but it’s not for me.
1:01:18
And again, I don’t really find weed stuff funny either because I don’t really find it that edgy.
It definitely doesn’t say it definitely doesn’t work today and like it’s just.
It kind of like loses its luster.
I mean, I’ve even felt that way for a long for quite a while.
1:01:34
It’s like, OK, you smoke weed.
Like cool, like, but like it’s just not that funny.
I don’t know.
I mean, it’s just like it’s it doesn’t have the appeal.
I guess people who smoke weed are probably, or at least back in the day, they’re probably like.
It’s like a Gen.
1:01:50
X thing where it’s like it’s still like taboo.
Yeah, we’re, we’re so, we’re so out there.
I don’t know.
I just, it’s just not for me.
It’s never been for me.
You know, there’s another reason why I like that show.
1:02:07
Broad City never resonated with me.
It’s like half their jokes are just smoking weed.
It’s like it’s not funny.
It’s just not OK.
I don’t care what you do.
You smoke weed during the day.
Great, I don’t care.
It’s not it’s not funny.
It’s an activity that you like to do.
1:02:23
It’s like saying I go bowling on the weekends, like it’s not funny.
It’s just it’s not funny.
But anyway, so thanks for listening to our drivel on Club Dread.
We tried, we we tried, we really did.
But again, it I’m I’m, I’m taking, I’m taking revenge on those people that I saw online who are saying, like, I love club dread, don’t get it, don’t get it.
1:02:50
Pissed at them.
What what the recommendation just wasn’t there.
But you know, it’s, it’s a movie that I’ve always like kind of seen on the radar and have been interested in trying out.
So that’s one of the good things about the podcast is that it allows us to choose movies that we might not necessarily otherwise just stumble upon or, or pick for ourselves to watch.
1:03:14
So at least it was an experience.
All right, so Halloween season continues.
We’re going to we’re going to keep going with hopefully better horror parodies.
As we get further into the season, we will add some horror like satirical films that are a little bit situated around Halloween.
1:03:38
So it’s going to be a fun time, you know, club dread accepted.
But yeah, I, I’m excited for the rest of the, the movies that we’ve got on the agenda.
It’s we got a a large list of varying films.
1:03:55
It’s always fun.
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Whatever you use, we’re on it.
It always helps us out.
We are on Facebook and Blue Sky.
Just search for us on there Blood and Black Rum podcast.
And we have an e-mail address at [email protected] where you could write to us.
Let us know what you like, what you don’t like.
If you love the intro that I created, appreciate any feedback.
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This comes our way.
And you can donate to us on our Patreon page or on our Spotify page.
Anything you donate goes back towards beer.
And of course, we don’t have any ads on here, so we don’t really get paid for this stuff.
So appreciate that after 330 episodes, we’re still trucking away for free.
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So appreciate anything you can get right away.
Thanks for listening, hope you enjoyed.
Hopefully no slashers are headed your way and hope you enjoy your holiday, Halloween, hallow, holiday season and until next time.
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Take care.
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